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Thread: Why is the Pak 43 allowed to shoot through obstacles? 21 Sep 2021, 12:34 PM 17pdr is non-doctrinal and doesn't require an (optional) upgrade so its hard to compare with the Pak43 taking up a doctrine slot. Not to mention that Pak43 will fight against Pack Howie, katyusha, M8 mortar carriage, mortars (possible 120mm), and mortar pits. While at most the 17pdr will go against IG, mortars, and stuka. The 17pdr needs its survivability to face off against heavy German cat tanks like Panther, Tiger and KT. While all Pak43 has to do is land one good shot on a Allied medium or TD and then it will back off. Can't compare the both since they face different stuff. 17pdr is arguably the more defensive focused gun while the Pak43 is the more offense focused gun through superior firepower. I think the shooting through obstacle is fine. It wouldn't be worth a doctrine slot without it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Relief for USF teching problems2 Sep 2021, 09:43 AM Probably won't ever happen because fighting positions can have the .50 without any tech upgrade. The faction design is locking either tool behind a tech upgrade, making you have to choose which you want early game or getting them both after the tech upgrade. If you're playing team games (which I think you are judging by your player card), I recommend getting both LT and Captain without upgrading mechanized because Pack Howie and AAHT are pretty bad value units right. I prefer the extra guns on the field in exchange for that fuel. Its kind of a problem when the 50MP less OKW IG gun kills better than the Pack Howie. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF players ragequiting in team games2 Sep 2021, 02:23 AM USF is probably at its worse point ever in team games right now. Its not worth playing and if you queue into a team with a USF player then at least be kind to them because they are playing with a severe handicap (along with you). Constant nerfs in the past 2 patches has put it in a terrible position without any buffs. Calliope nerf, .50 cal nerf, pack howie nerf, scott nerf, jackson nerf, popcap nerf, AAHT nerf (remember when AA mode didn't even shoot down planes after a patch?). All without some sort of buff to other USF faction tools has put it in a terrible spot for team games right now. Sure it might be playable in 1v1s but USF is completely gutted to the point where it might be better to play Brits instead for team games. This is not including all the Axis buffs that have made it into the game lately. Sturmtiger buff, T-34/ram removal, IL-2 removal from several commanders, and jackson vet 2 nerf as previously mentioned. All of these indirectly buff Axis heavy tanks. Most team games last a long time so any buff to Axis heavy tanks is a tilting the scales of long team games towards an Axis victory. Its a little bit infuriating that the balance team doesn't consider this. Lets not forget that all prototype changes seem to occur on Axis units first and then are moved onto the rest of the units. So Axis get an initial buff and then we have to wait a patch for it to roll over for everyone else. Examples being Sturmtiger and Halftrack healing. Speaking of initial buffs, anyone remember when Elefant dive bomb got replaced with a very OP strafing run? Kind of makes me question if there is an Axis bias. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: USF and MP bleed31 Aug 2021, 08:41 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Aug 2021, 12:20 PMrumartinez89 I think the biggest issue is like Vaz said the efficiency of OKW bleed. There reinforce is all over the place but as a percentage they are on the lower side compared to other factions. I will put the percentage to fully reinforce based on purchase price but I can put cost if someone wants. OKW: Unit % Sturm 30 Volks 38.4 Fussi 37 JLI 37.5 Fall 31.8 Ober 35.2 Ost: Pio 37.5 Gren 37.5 Ostr 40 PGren 30 JCS 40 AssG 37.1 Storm 29 Allies RE 34.5 Rifle 40 LT 40 CPT 40 AssE 40 Path 31 Rang 36.6 Para 38.9 Engi 37 Cons 41.6 T4 37.5 Penal 46.5 T4 43.1 Guard 37.5 Shock 41.6 So over the course of a game this leads to the OKW manpower float which directly allows for the blob to form and be maintained. Edit: Added OST and a couple other units. Looking at the % it makes sense for OST to have wonky reinforce for some units due to relying on support weapons more. However OKW is infantry heavy and the reinforce is to low for its mainline compared to the Allied faction. This means with equal deaths OKW will be able to save up to build more units while allies are just trying to keep Units fully reinforced. I think just increasing the reinforce cost for early units would solve several problems people are having with OKW blob. It would slow it down considerably while being a soft nerf to Fussie blob, VG blob with Obers. This is an interesting take on the sustained MP bleed over time. I recall a time when reinforcing Obers costed 50MP. I think its also important to note that Allies tend to have bigger squads while Axis have smaller squads leading to even more efficiency in terms of MP to power. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I don't trust the official balance team.31 Aug 2021, 08:37 AM Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2021, 08:33 AMKlement Pikhtura the only change that wasn't really that bad in 4v4, but was crucial in 1v1 and 2v2 was t34 ram. I have no knowledge of other changes that influenced 4v4 meta that much, apart from maybe general OST improvements and unnecessary harsh USF nefrs. AFAIK in 2019 OST was not in a good place, probably even much worse then OKW right now. I disagree. T-34 ram/IL-2 combo was a big buff to Axis heavy tanks in team games. Typically when you have heavy tanks covering heavy tanks, they become near impossible to defeat without the T-34/IL-2 ram combo. It also wouldn't surprise me if the heavy tanks got some buffs over the years because of this combo but the buffs weren't reversed post-nerf of T-34 ram. I'd argue that the winrates were closer to 50% in 2019 than it is now, therefore the game was more balanced in team games in 2019 than now where win rates have moved farther from 50%. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rcon Support USF31 Aug 2021, 08:33 AM The combo package makes it kind of useless late game where team games usually end up. Its great early but late game, you're wasting resources on a pack howie you probably don't need. Especially when you just need an elite infantry squad to replace the one you lost (playing in a long game). Perhaps add Airborne as a buildable option on the HQ after the first call-in? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I don't trust the official balance team.31 Aug 2021, 08:10 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2021, 11:23 AMHarry Yes, you are absolutely right. This website only got released very recently. But I can clearly remember there was a predecessor. And there are for sure people in this forum posting data each year from ... nowhere, actually. Though I can't provide direct evidence here, there is one thing I am sure about. Because the data I mentioned before showed by somebody else presented such a contractive and almost laughable pattern, late last year, around December, I was planning on writing a thread about how difficult it is to balance around 4v4 and 1v1 with only one set of data( If you have tried making mod before, you would know that the original campaign and multiplayer actually got balanced differently). I was a strong promoter for splitting the game in half and balance each independently( 1v1 & 2v2; 3v3 & 4v4). At least, until then, I was trying to help the balance team out and explain to the public that it was just utterly impossible to balance around all game modes. In the end, I did not finish what I wrote because somebody in my family passed away in mid-December. This might be the stats you're looking for: https://www.coh2.org/news/92866/automatch-stats-factions-teams-and-maps#stat4v4 From 2019. Those were some simpler times when 4v4s were more balanced and fun. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I don't trust the official balance team.31 Aug 2021, 07:52 AM Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2021, 07:48 AMKlement Pikhtura he is right though. 4v4 game spammers are usually 'fixed screen on your blob' type of players, which is understandable, because it is hard to micro vs several players. The game mode is flawed and should have never been viewed as competitive. It is just COH's analogue of "team deathmatch", nothing more. And yes, the game mode is very unfair towards Allies, because JTs, Elefants, early mg42, tight spaces and lots of AT guns per squared meter. On top of that there are tons of leavers, overall more frustrated and toxic playerbase with addition of imbalance. Also I believe that factional fanboism is more prevalent there. Imo, if 4v4 people were aware of 2v2 and 1v1 balance, so they would discuss changes that mostly influence that mode, they game mode would have been in a better spot, but instead it boils down to factional holy wars with touch up of whine why X unit is not effective in 4v4. Just ask yourself how often do you hear that t34 is trash from team game players and how often do you hear it from 1v1 players? People even claiming t34-85 to be "much worse then a panther". And how would even they will know, if hypothetical guy loses the tank to a pak wall while microing his blob and even if he didn't lose it that way, he will sooner or later. Ofc after that, that poor sod will just curse the damn thing and just buy a SU-85 that will help him with shooting at Panthers and other cats, while staying out of pak40's range. You know the reverse can be said. If 1v1 and 2v2 players were more aware and empathetic to 3v3 and 4v4 players they they can discuss what changes can be made without shaking up the balance all that much. Technically the majority of players are in team game modes so they are keeping the game alive while only the minority are enjoying a balanced game. I can think of several changes that can be made without affecting 1v1 and 2v2s all that much. Such as limiting rocket artillery to 1 or in general, limiting artillery to 1 so it can't be spammed. I made a list above your post which includes some other changes that can be made without affecting 1v1/2v2 balance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I don't trust the official balance team.31 Aug 2021, 07:34 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2021, 13:08 PMaerafield Please, for the love of god, stop using that site for 4v4. As a 4v4 tournament player I can guarantee you that arranged team vs. arranged team in 4v4 is completely balanced or depends on the map. Random 4v4 automatch is a shitfest of monkey apes that cant deal with the tech tree of USF and soviets. For example soviet t1 players that get rekt by blobs and tank rush because they dont know how to counter it without a HMG or AT gun. Same story with USF tech tree as HMG and AT gun + packhowie are kinda mutually exclusive. Both axis factions always have MG, AT guns and indirect fire no matter how they tech. I have seen it sooooooo many times now on playercards where someone had 60% winrate as axis but 40-45% winrate as allies because of this (ofc the player was just bad as well) Oh and there is also the 4v4 matchmaking. We (a lot of 4v4 players that I know & myself) have a saying "Do not search allies 4v4 in dead timezones, only in EU afternoon time. You will always get unwinable games." Are these screenshots recent? I think part of the reason why those screenshots are the way they are is because Axis is incredibly unbalanced and powerful in team games at the moment. There are barely any players playing Allies because of this fact. Playing Allies in team games, especially 4v4, leads to some very not-fun games and most of the time a loss. This is anecdotal but I was around rank 300-500 last patch and now I'm floating around under 200 this patch for USF. It seems like there is a lack of 4v4 USF players playing because they understand the faction is so weak. I want to abandon my favourite faction (USF) because it feels near impossible to counter the Axis meta atm because of all the nerfs. There are reasons why 4v4 automatch tend to favour axis and its because they have several non-doctrinal units that help them immensely in the late game. OKW, a faction built around securely the late game, unbalances win rates a lot by having access to a non-doctrinal King Tiger. Most team games will last into the late game where they really shine unless they are pushed off the fuel early. They can't get pushed off the fuel early because recent buffs have buffed their early game. What makes this worse is the short width maps like Redball and Whiteball that favour Axis HMGs to secure early game. Since I'm pointing out problems but not offering solutions. I have several suggestions to reduce Axis win rate without shaking up the meta all that much. Here are some things that can be done or at least be used as a starting point to put a dent in the Axis late game in team games. - New 4v4 maps or updating the current ones in the pool such as Whiteball and Redball to introduce wider lanes. - Increasing setup/teardown time for Axis HMGs so they can't be relocated on a dime. HMG spam with Pio vision is uncounterable unless the Ost player makes a mistake. Every top 200 Ost player does this. Manual reload makes it even worse because all MGs will always be fully loaded. - Reduce lethality of Ost mortars so its not as powerful when spammed behind an HMG wall. Which is typically what happens in 90% of the games. HMG wall and then 2-3 mortars. Alternately, restrict all mortars team to 1 across all factions. - Adjustments to Panther that affect multiple Panthers but not the first one. Such as increasing popcap or increasing repair time or removal of Axis minesweeper/repair bonus combo. Also add repair bonus for USF Rear Echelons sweeper upgrade or somehow bundle it into the Pershing Commander because Pershing Commander is gimped without it. The Panther popcap could be increased by 3-4 from its current value because of how powerful it is in team games. - Add repair bonus to UKF Royal Engi sweepers. Why? Because repairing comets takes forever without the upgrade. There is significantly more downtime repairing Comets than there is repairing the same amount of Panthers. For a unit that is supposed to be similar, its unbalanced because the repair times are not similar. - Normalize pen across all anti-tank snare grenades. Why should Allies have a lower chance to pen with their snares? - Add non-doctrinal heavy tank call-in for USF (Pershing), Soviets (IS-2), and Ost (Tiger). That way every faction has a non-doctrinal late-game heavy tank hero unit instead of just OKW. Again most games go late. - Increase Ober reinforce cost. They are far too efficient for what they are able to do. Non-doctrinal long-range DPS with a very low maintenance/reinforce cost is dominating late-game infantry fights and is incredibly efficient. Finally, my personal grievance, a USF buff. Reverse 2 patch changes on the Scott and restrict it to 1. Its so dumb that non-doctrinal Panzerwerfer, Brumbar, and Stuka don't get any nerfs but Pack Howie and Scott gets a nerf. These nerfs combined have completely neutered USF in team games. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: I don't trust the official balance team.31 Aug 2021, 07:14 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2021, 13:41 PMT.R. Stormjäger Yes and so what if 1v1 automatch is dead? What do you balance the game around then? 4v4s? 99% of the 4v4 players don't know anything about the game and 4v4s are incredibly dumb. Blob 24/7, spam tank destroyers and arty. That's literally it. Half of the game mechanics don't matter in 4v4s, timings, cover, build orders all go into the trash. If you look at twitch or youtube 90% of the content is for 1v1s and 2v2s, 5% is tightrope being paid to cast 3v3s and 4v4s. Don't act like you want to balance the game for the majority because an overwhelming majority of the playerbase is playing 4v4s at level 1-16 and it's pretty much an objective fact that axis shits on allies at that level in 4v4s. Go ask anyone in, uhhh, skippy's server or whatever and they will tell you how the mg42, elefant and JT are broken yet you and sturmpanther keep saying allies are better than axis in 4v4s simply because allies can cheese the game better than axis in top 10 arranged team games which happens way less than 1v1 games or normal 4v4 games where the allies get shit on. "1v1s automatch is dead" is literally just an excuse. And lastly why do we have this server full of top 30-50 1v1/2v2 players if our feedback is going to get dismissed as "1v1 automatch is dead"? Go and post the invite link to this server to the coh3 server so people from game modes where automatch is not dead can help you guys balance the game. Sorry but this post is toxic and really strikes at the core of why the author made this thread. This kind of toxicity/elitism should have no place on the forums or in CoH. There really is no excuse for this kind of toxicity and wanting a balanced team game modes should not warrant this kind of toxicity. In: COH2 Balance