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Vickers K Light Machine Gun

To differentiate this weapon from the Bren Light Machine Gun, the Vickers K is being tuned to a weapon capable of fighting at medium and short-range that can also be fired on the move.

Vickers K can now fire on the move with 60% moving accuracy, -25% weapon cooldown and -25% weapon burst.
Weapon no longer wants to go prone when out of cover.
DPS at ranges 0/10/15/20/25/30/35: 12.53/10.81/8.44/7.13/5.99/4.93/3.97

I already told you that you probably checked it from the changelog. And the site I visit parses in-game data to update the stat. So ATM for me I weight the site over changelog, cause it's not the first time changelog masses things up.

But I won't go further without raw-data checked for now.

Looking at accuracy means is not the full picture since there are other modifier affecting DPS on the move and vickers K has 0.6 accuracy modifier and not 0.25.

You are probably referencing changelog(https://community.companyofheroes.com/coh-franchise/company-of-heroes-legacy/forums/5-company-of-heroes-2-general/threads/1307-company-of-heroes-2-changelog?page=1) which also says Raid section can upgrade 1 vickers K with 60 muni. when they can't

The site I often use to check stats of CoH2 unit says otherwise, so I tried to check it by myself with Attribute Editor, but couldn't find Vickers K stat but only "sapper_vickers_k_machine_gun_mp" which has totally different stat & moving modifier. Any ideas?

Vicker K is superior to G43 at all ranges and Tommies have better received accuracy than Grenadier and can get extra entity.

I'm not sure this is one of your word play or you just forgot, but grens get -20% reduction to received dmg. Which IMO much more helpful to the survivability or squad (not in small arms fight but because of tanks/indirect fire etc.) in late game.

I suggest you tried double BAR riflemen vs double Vicker K men 5 tommies in cover to cover to fights and see who wins in what range.

Vicker K has 25% moving accuracy & Tommies get penalty out-of-cover so they are one of the worst penatized moving dps squad in the game. And OTOH riflemen are well-known infighter in the game. Bar gives extra fire power to that. mid-shrot range fireamrs must consider moving dps as well as statinary dps because in reality, half (or more) of the time squads are on the move while fireing. And this also allows more chance of retreating squad wiping. Stop comparing assualt rifles dps just by statinary dps.

I don't know whos idea was it to make vickers K into Bar clone, but I can say that it was very stupid idea.

Vickers K did share similar role with bren, but performed slightly better. (Much better after price reduction & stat nerf)

And long range lmg suites well with Tommies who have very bad moving penalty & out-of-cover disadvantage.

Compairing it with g43 gren is not a great idea. g43 gives you 2/4 model equips with 80% moving accuracy with 60 muni and also gives you extra RA bonus. It literally turns the unit role to long range to mid range fighter.

(BTW vickers K has moving accuracy of 25%....)

Vickers K works well with officer (one squad restricted) / commando (don't have commander with both) / sappers (who are busy repairing with thx to repair speed nerf btw)

Main line inf. Tommy doesn't benefit much from it. Ofc it is better than default lee-enfield, so I'd pick one up when I can. But previous version was much easier and better to use.


And raid sections.... they are just a joke. Why would I want to use clone riflemen squad w/o snare?

Vickers K still has 33% chance of dropping, and probably thx to Lelic making programming mistake, RS can't upgrade 1 vickers K after dropping one.

Assualt section or tank hunter IS are pretty decent unit. But raid section is nothing but a waste of one skill slot IMO.

So? Make the OKW AAH go down with 3. Problem solved for everybody.

There is no LV that has 400 hp with smoke by default. That is extremly too survivable. If it gets patched as so, you will see no pro player loosing AAHT before medium tank comes out.

So in return it would have to loose smoke ability and don't forget to give other LV such as USF AAHT & Soviet .50 Quad hp increase as well. In overall, I quite don't see a reason for buffing this unit. It's doing it's job pretty well, and survivability is actually better than similar unit - USF AAHT & m5 -