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Cheese With Wings!

Summary: The ground forces of the Third Reich are more than capable of doing their part in the battle, but not without significant Close Air Support. Show the true might of the Luftwaffe to all enemies of the Fatherland!

Game Modes Applicable: 2v2+, though in 2v2 this particular strategy is very dicey, but can be pulled off with blobbed panzergrenadiers with panzershreks for extra cheesy goodness.

Build Order: Start with Grens, MG's etc. to hold your ground, tech up once, build panzergrenadiers and PaK's as needed. Add LMG-42's and Panzershreks for even more cheese! Mmmm Cheese....

Notes: Once territory is secured, build extra fuel caches with your extreme amounts of floating MP to instantly convert into extra muni. With more muni= moar air powah!! and moar air powah = more cheese!! YAAAAY!!

Extra Notes:Once the munitions stockpile is real, so very real. Use it to keep up a constant flow of air traffic and constantly harass, barrage, strafe, and bomb your opponents into the ground. Use Recon Run + Stuka Dive Bomb for extreme cheese explosions.


Link to replay and demonstration in 4v4 provided

Jesus christ, you guys aren't going to let this go aren't you. It's not supposed to be a exact territory map.

Yeah, anyone who reads a fuckin' history text would know that Spain, Switzerland, Sweden, and many other nations were NEUTRAL during the war. Hell even the United States was Neutral from 1939 up until the end of 1941.

Well, you suggested giving them a "Balance Package" which included:

1 lmg34. 1 lmg42, 3 STGs and one optional Pshreck.

You sir, yes you, you deserve a cookie for that.


Though I agree with you that their AI efficiency needs improvement, even being able to upgrade at later CPs would be sufficient. Volks are pure garbage against USF and penal spam, but your suggestion is way impractical.

Actually I meant that there should be two different upgrade options, kind of like how Stormtroopers have two upgrade options. Choosing one locks out the other, and I specifically meant to say that the Infantry Combat Package should include One LMG-34 or LMG-42, 1x STG-44, and 3x MP-40's, or 2x STG-44s and 2x MP-40's. Making certain they don't obtain too much DPS in any one range but allow them to perform admirably in a variety of ranges. Jack of all Trades, Master of None.

But more specifically, they would then become extremely vulnerable to vehicles unless backed up by a Raketenwerfer or a Panzershrek squad. This would thin out the blob of Panzershreks since more than likely the OKW player will want some less expensive anti-infantry units on the field. They'll still be squishy and melt just as quickly to M1919's and BAR blobs, but maybe actually be able to deal some damage back at them especially with Vet.

Not to be overly pedantic, but the Volksgrenadiers were overwhelmingly conscripts, just like almost all troops on all sides of WW2. If you meant "veteran" rather than "professional" then that's more correct, although by 1944 Germany suffered from serious manpower drain, and has lost much of their experienced NCOs in Russia.

You Sir, should read this article here.

More specifically this line here.

"Volksgrenadier divisions participated in the Battle of the Bulge, the defense of the Siegfried Line and Eastern Front, and in the final battles in Germany."

"Some divisions acquitted themselves very well and fought tenaciously while others were rushed into battle with a minimum of training and thus performed very poorly. "

"Several Volksgrenadier divisions, especially those made up of "jobless" Wehrmacht personnel drawn from the Kriegsmarine and the Luftwaffe, often displayed high motivation and morale which resulted in surprisingly good cohesion and military effectiveness against the Reich's enemies in the last eight or so months (about October 1944 through May 1945) of the war in Europe."


This bit implies that while there were at the very least an equal number of units that were rushed and less well trained than the divisions made up of "Jobless Wehrmacht Personnel".

That said, they were hardly the "old and infirm, and the old and weak" These more often than not were more youthful men who just came of age to enlist, veterans fresh from the hospitals, and Navy and Airforce personnel who could no longer perform in those sectors due to the decimation of the Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine over the course of the war, as well as survivors of units that were more or less withered or annihilated.

These changes might be way too radical to ever be implemented though since at this point we're practically redesigning the faction.

Exactly the point, all I suggested was an option that's less intensive than a complete redesign of the entire damn faction.

Volksgrenadier improvement? They are useless now? Did I miss a patch?

They aren't useless yet, but they would be if a lot of these "suggestions" were pushed through.


Literally not enough AT in the OKW arsenal to stop M20 or M15 or even M3 and WC-51 rushes as it is. At what point does anything think that it's even marginally okay to remove the Panzershrek from the Volksgrenadiers?

Well colour me surprised. I had no idea you'd not like Milka's suggestions, you know, you being impartial and all...

As if any of you are being any less impartial.