Relic, please adjust Vet gain on the Stuka zu Fuss.

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2014, 01:23 AMcomm_ash

Hmm, Stuka definitely needs some vet changes, but if we move the incendiary strike to vet 1/2, I fell it may be OP. It may just be RNG for me, but I feel like the stuka fire barrage does a shitload more damage when it hits than an offmap incendiary strike.

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2014, 08:30 AM$nuffy

totally agree.. never, ever unlocked napalm barrage on stuka in automatch, and I even use Stuka countdown reduction bulletin.. like it isn't even there.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2014, 10:30 AMSierra

For most team weapons and artillery pieces, their alternate fire modes are locked by Vet-1 and don't always cost so much in munitions. But this is not the case with the Stuka zu Fuss, instead it's alternate fire mode of Incendiary Rocket Barrage is locked behind a Vet-4 rank that it may never see in an entire game, and still costs a whopping 100 munitions, which is already difficult enough to achieve for a hard pressed OKW player. (Think lots of grenades and panzershreks and mines)


I think that for the alternate fire mode to be justifiably locked behind Vet-4, that it should be a bit more accessible and attainable than it is currently.


Furthermore I daresay that it opens up far more options for the OKW player to eliminate blobs of Allied infantry and artillery/ATG's as well as garrisoned units, which currently they are sorely lacking.

So please take this into consideration as currently I would go as far as to assume that most OKW players don't even know that there is an Incendiary Barrage option due to how exceedingly rare it is that the Stuka zu Fuss would ever reach Vet-2 or Vet-3, let alone Vet-4.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2014, 10:41 AM☭ Калашникова ☭

Can we fix panzerwerfer first?

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 14:00 PMTomOfAction

Although the Panzerwerfer can (arguably) be considered the Ostheer/Wehrmacht equivalent of the "Walking Stuka" (in terms of selecting an artillery piece), the roles that each one fulfills (respectively) greatly vary. The Oberkommando West's "Walking Stuka" is more-or-less designed to hard-counter garrisoned units in buildings, static positions (mounted team weapons and immobile artillery pieces), and to a lesser extent blobs – while as the Panzerwerfer for the Wehrmacht is designed to directly provide a hard-counter Allied blobbing of units. Just because the Panzerwerfer isn't as "spot on" in wrecking enemy units, doesn't mean it is "less-efficient" (in lack of a better phrase) as a unit. It simply just means that they are designated to perform different tasks when a player utilizes them in combat.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 14:07 PM☭ Калашникова ☭

I totally agree, However when the Panzerwerfer is compared to its direct counterpart (The kat truck) it is painfully obvious that the kat truck is simply just better at its job.

Kat truck can fire and hit units that hit T as soon as they hear the sound and catch units.
While the Panzerwerfer can fire on a immobile blob and kill 3 models. If it was a kat truck it would wipe most of those units.

Stuka is what panzerwefer wishes it can be when it grows up.

(Please note that I don't want the Panzerwefer to be better then Kat, those two units need to be equal is all)

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 14:19 PMTomOfAction

Perhaps, they increase the accuracy modifier on the Panzerwerfer to scale with the Katyusha? I don't know how that would physically work, but I think it might increase the usage of the Panzerwerfer and upgrading to Battle Phase Three, in general.

Also, I agree with the fact that the Katyusha, even through all its previous nerfs/tweaks, still is a lot more potent then the Panzerwerfer. Perhaps, if we bring the Panzerwerfer back down to the Battle Phase Two building again, and allow the individual playing as the Wehrmacht to access it a bit earlier then the Soviet player, this could give an incentive to the Wehrmacht players to actually utilize it more frequently. I'm sure that there would be other issues that would arise with this, such as finding a replacement for the Panzerwerfer in the Battle Phase Three building, and also balancing the said artillery piece, so it isn't overwhelming and impossible to counter.

Jump back to quoted post16 Nov 2014, 13:52 PMTomOfAction

..but I can't say whether or not it still holds true to 3v3/4v4, since I rarely play as Axis in those.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2014, 13:22 PMCadoc

I'm all for this, as long as it comes at the same time as significant nerfs to the Stuka.