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I mean 270mp+60muni Shouldn't be strong vs all other mainline infantry???

I mean they compare pretty well against similar costed units. Especially if your considering their timing. Like sure late in the game the 7 man cons might be more effective but that's also like a 7ish minute difference where VSL gets to operate. And in that time frame they preform quite well.
Against rifles and brens they still do quite well until they get double bars or brens (and bolster for IS) while still coming mostly earlier. I don't really see why VSL need to be the end all be all of infantry units like seemingly you want.

t34/85 are way too inaccurate. It is NOT fine for it's price. Any bad soviet will go for t34s instead of SU85 and lose his game. When ever I lose a team game i know why it is. ANd i have to SHOUT at my team mate telling him to stop making fricking t34s.

t-34-85 is totally fine. What are you on about? It's a excellent premium medium tank.

So previously there was some discussion on possibly buffing the SDKFZ 221 to make it a more useful vehicle. I think there were some reasonable points on both sides but I personally agree more that any major buffs to the vehicle's timing to power could be problematic when coming alongside the power spike OKW has in the mid game. However, I also agree the vehicle feels very meh even going just a minute or two past when it comes out. I think a buff could help it just needs to be the right one.

My suggestion is to possibly look into reworking the vet for this unit in order to make it more useful after it's combat abilities fall off.
This link has the current vet for the 221 and I want to propose some changes to it. I think the most notable thing is the AT mine buried so far in vet it may as well not exist. I want to redo the vet and shuffle things around.


Vet 1 - Unlocks the "Defensive Smoke" ability.
+10% accuracy.
-11,1% received accuracy.

Vet 2 - +30 additional health points.
+30% accuracy.

Vet 3 - Unlocks the "Riegel 43 Anti-Tank Mine" ability.

Vet 4 - +20% maximum speed.
+20% rotation speed.
+20% ac/de-celeration.
+30% sight radius.

Vet 5 - -25% received damage while in "Lockdown Mode".
+4 armor

So these changes would do a couple things overall.
Vet 1 remains unchanged
Vet 2 would now give a notably health boost to make the 221 more resilient (it would have 270 health compared to 240)
Vet 3 unlocks the AT mine making it more realistic to be able to use this ability.
Vet 4 essentially got the other buffs that were removed from vet 2 and 3
Vet 5 would now make the 221 immune to small arms fire making it much more bulky and harder to kill as a reward for keeping it alive to vet all the way up.

In terms of new stuff for the vet you have a additional 10 health points added on and the added armor at vet 5. Otherwise this is just swapping around the various vet bonuses to activate in I would say is a more beneficial and useful way. Making it so at vet 3 the 221 gets the AT mine it sets a good point where the 221 can become a more support built vehicle as it plants mines and locks down areas as a 223.

I think this would be a good way overall to buff the 221 while not affecting that much of it's early timing while still making it better and worthwhile to keep around even later into the game.

If a change like this is done I also hope we could see the 221 go into the Scavenge doctrine also in place of infiltration grenades. I think the 221 fits very well there alongside the new volk repair kits and the whole theme of extra resources. The 223 would be a good way help rush out an ostwind, save munitions for a big 105mm strike, or even as a resource sink being able to plant those AT mines.

Wishlist for future Ostheer changes:

Festung Support: This commander is just so weird with the changes. Especially the only thing unique about it is the forward resupply station but then Joint Operations has it also and comes with a LeFh. Everything else in the commander either is average in it's effect or comes with much better commanders. Command Panzer and Mortar Halftrack can both be found in much stronger commanders imo (Spearhead has a tiger and there are a lot of command panzer to choose from). Relief Infantry and Sector Artillery I think can be agreed that they aren't useless but they don't make a commander standout that much.
IMO this commander needs some retuning to have something that really makes it stand out. Some ideas are like maybe making it the only commander to have the resupply station? Joint Operations having it imo makes it almost impossible to pick any other commander with it because they also have the LeFh on top of it. If not that I think it needs to have something changed within it so it stands out more.

Joint Operations: To add on to what was mentioned above I think this commander is actually gonna suffer from having so many buildable. It lost an artillery off map in favor of another buildable when it already has 2. I think 2 should be picked and the other swapped for something else to keep this from being overloaded.

Close Air Support: This commander I still think is suffering from not really getting any changes. It's not often picked and I think could really benefit from just something. The Luftwaffe Field Officer in place of the AI strafe would pretty much directly upgrade the doctrine by giving it an extra recon on top of the AI strafe. I would say even though it would then be shared with Luftwaffe Supply that these two commanders would still be unique from each other especially after the changes to the latter.

Jaeger Armor Doctrine: This commander I still think needs more nerfs to it as the changes are a good step but not that much has really changed for this commander. The nerf to spotting scopes was warranted but it's kinda been compensated with the addition of Mobile Observation Post to the AT mine. I think the AT strafe should be removed from the commander. An idea could be to replace that with Breakthrough Equipment. Blowing up cover fits the theme of helping spot for the Elefant but it would probably still be weaker than the AT strafe. Or just replace with something even weaker but in general this commander is way to overpicked in team games and needs a substantial change.

Ostruppen as a unit should also probably not get nearly as many buffs as they do currently. The unit is already very strong and we've seen them be very powerful in high level tournaments.

Imo there are some "trademark" abilities that should be only available to specific commanders:

Lend lease assault guards is such a unit that should only be available to that commander. If one want assault guards in another commander one could create a separate version that uses Soviet weapons.

Please leave Assault Guards as is. They add a great addition to Anti Infantry and without that anti infantry is gonna have to overlap more with other doctrines as it goes back to shocks. I would much prefer the Soviet commanders mostly remain as is because they have gotten a lot of very solid changes to make their commanders more unique.