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Mostly because it requires a mod to do that, and I do not want to waste their time

Panzergrenadier blobs were finished the moment they introduced the infantry lethality patch,and they only could bully soviet stock infantry before that which were always crap,they never faced rifle blobs,if they had they would have been humbled.That along with accuracy and armor nerfs killed it.And look, don't babble on 'use them at mid-range in cover'..it has been noted a hundred times and is used when the unit is built that way..charging blindly-we DON'T do that...don't treat veteran ost players like they are noobs who don't know how to use their own units while u play ostheer far less frequently..if it was a skill issue it wouldn't exist for top players...if its a skill issue ..why aren't they being used in tourney?Ok i'm noob,most ost complainers are noobs..are the top tourney players noobs too?

Which is exactly why I suggested a minor buff in their survive-ability. No need to go on huge rants about a unit I suggested buffing in a similar way you did. And you are very wrong about panzergrenediers a long time ago, but its really irrelevant now, I should not of brought it up.

Disagree, the Easy Eight is overperforming for it's price. At 10 fuel more than a Panzer IV, it has a 35 armour advantage and a 55 penetration advantage. The E8's gun also has the overall tightest spread of all medium tanks.




I disagree, I actually prefer the M10 over the M36 sometimes. They're cheap, they're fast, flank speed is epic, and they have good penetration. The M36 is expensive and lacks mobility and penetration (more than M10 but not enough to cover the disadvantages imo).

Well you may be on to something if those numbers are true, I have really looked in to them a whole lot. a slight cost adjustment in increasing the fuel and manpower slightly to match the performance.

As for your M10s I have tried many times to get them to work, they simply do not do enough damage and are even more paper thin. Pumas will kill them which is why it is simply not worth getting one because they are generally on the field for OKW and Ostheer players will just ignore it. At taht point you are better off saving fuel for a regular sherman.

I have had great success once or twice. Games I had superb micro with my Stuart and it lived quite long, I would rush in on a flank and use the stun rounds while the M10 drives behind the tank. It works on medium armor because they cannot retaliate in time to do anything about it. Problem is that both tanks are paper thin and any sign of units with fausts or AT you'll loose either the stuart or the M10

"I honestly think the infantry gun needs a slight tone down, This gun is simply an MVP every game. It has great vet scaling and can direct fire against light vehicles. Its simply fantastic and probably a little over preforming its cost."

Maybe I'm using it wrong, but as far as I can tell, it's generally less effective than the ost 80mm mortar, costs almost twice as much, can't retreat, and can barely kill anything because the splash damage is so low.


"Can we please reduce the damage the stuka fuss does? Panzerwerfer and Katyushyas got nerfed for a reason. its simply not fun to loose so much to the point and click of a moderately priced mobile artillery piece. Plus this one has even less RNG as you draw the line."

They were nerfed practically to extinction, which was bad, but that's not a great reason to also ruin the Stuka. Why not just buff the Pwerfere and the Kat? Okay I know that doubling the stats of the Kat didn't work, but surely there's a middle ground?

"PanzerJagers need a slight adjustment in lower DPS. They are incredibly great like the Infantry gun and are probably over preforming for their cost."

What are panzer jaegers?

The jager recon troops from scavange

Panzerwerfer and katushya got nerfed quite a bit (they are still good at what they are supposed to kill which is static weapons crews) because in the past they suffered from Vcoh syndrom where mobile artillery murdered everything too cheaply and with little counter play. It was simply not fun to loose half of your army in the blink of an eye when two panzerwerfers staggered their shots. Remember the over buffed katushya? that is what the old panzerwerfer did and katushyas were not far behind

I broke up my hopes in multiple parts to promote narrowed good discussion with less derailing.

DISCLAIMER:
Please keep the discussion around these 4 topics. Remember the fallowing:

Just because A is unfair does not make B unfair, they are two different entities

Just because A is fair does not make B fair, they are two different entities

There is asymmetric balance in this game, do not compare two units directly in similar roles
(think about everything, timing, cost, role, multi purpose, etc)

Keep anything to do with fan boys out of my thread, there is no place for it

This thread is dedicated to OKW

They are probably the best designed faction currently if it were not for being so susceptible to Soviet cheese. You get cheap access to all Tiers, pretty much great stuff in all of them, and the trucks provide something valuable to the game such as repair or flak gun.


Kubel could probably use a bit more love with a slight health increase and better performance on the move to help deal with Soviet sniper teams

I honestly think the infantry gun needs a slight tone down, This gun is simply an MVP every game. It has great vet scaling and can direct fire against light vehicles. Its simply fantastic and probably a little over preforming its cost

Inferred sights on the Obers is way too much. You will loose a squad in a blink of an eye with their ignoring cover bullets. The cost should come down significantly and so should the effectiveness

Lets face it, the OKW puma is way over preforming. I think the Osheer one always has as well, but this one is better for whatever reason like the panther. well microed it can beat most heavy armor. I have developed a strat as Ostheer vs rifle company that relies on pumas and paks to stun lock tanks in front of AT guns that vet up and then re stun them. The OKW have no pak40s, but the Puma is still ridiculously effective for an armored car with a light AT gun on it. I think getting rid of the non vetted smokes is a great starting point for slight nerf to the unit. It will probably need a slight health decrease to make it more risky to use because for some reason it has almost medium armor amount of health.

As much as I am glad Relic allowed the OKW to have full munitions income, it makes panzer Fussiliers over the top. you pay for a 6 man gren squad that can have 3 G43s with up to 5 stars of Vet. They already stomp on rifles for similar cost, then add the G43 upgrade and they vet up like crazy. You dont even need obers to stand up to M1919s because these squads are such monsters. I am suggesting a slight DPS adjustment.

Can we please reduce the damage the stuka fuss does? Panzerwerfer and Katyushyas got nerfed for a reason. its simply not fun to loose so much to the point and click of a moderately priced mobile artillery piece. Plus this one has even less RNG as you draw the line.

People complain that the reketenwerfer is bad, but for how cheap it is I think people are just hoping for this little guy to act for a pak40 while they save for a panther or a KT. These guys and Pshrecks are good at pushing back armor but they alone should not be relied on to hold back all armor. It makes me cringe when people complain their shreck blob and reketenwerfers didnt hold back T34-85s in time for their KT or panther to arrive. They have such great vet bonuses and their ability to be placed in buildings makes them really great on other maps compared to other AT guns.

PanzerJagers need a slight adjustment in lower DPS. They are incredibly great like the Infantry gun and are probably over preforming for their cost.

um. Infiltration grenades? how did relic miss this? They are the same grenades at 10 munitions that assault grenadiers get for 45. whhhaat?. So they should definately not save you munitions for a just as effective, arguably more effective grenade. I suggest putting them at 30 munitions. My reasons is that the timer counts down for usage while not in combat. This means you can use them, retreat back to base for health, go capture a point and your set to go and throw another 10 munitions grenade (depends on the point, when I timed it, the timer takes getting reinforced and a fuel/ munitions point).

Pak 43 for both Ostheer and OKW needs a significant range increase to make it useful.

OKW flak halftrack needs a little looking into. It for some reason has huge issues actually hitting anything other than debris or the ground, a problem that many tanks share but it is by far the worst on this unit. It also needs to have its set up time to match the M15. Its basically unusable at this point because its set up and tear down is so long

This faction has a great design that unfortunately gets over looked most of the time do to "allies cheese". the problem is that if said stuff gets addressed OKW will shoot strait to the top do to its great preforming core units and fantastic call in infantry. Should USF be more balanced out in early and late game, as well as Soviet cheese being addressed the OKW will destroy any competition infantry wise and through their faction design go into a dominating late game. It might seem like this page is devoted to nerfs, but it is out of necessity for the future when allies get addressed. Please do not take this the wrong way as in me completely hating on the OKW