Profile of ilGetUSomDay

yeah this topic is not for discussion, this is for making relic do something about it.

your credibility:

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Which is stupid, because the factions are more or less equal in the early game now. While the OP is being a bit rage-y, there might be a slight hint of truth in his observations.

Well really it is that people finally figured out early game against USF while developers viewed OKW as underpowered. The combination of player skill increasing and buffs recently has really shown everyone how it is USF that is struggling as a design (something myself and many others guessed at release).

USF still has a rather large early game advantage, however as player skill gets higher that advantage time linearly goes down, to the point where it is really only a few minutes where USF has actual advantage and the next few that are for average players still US favored, is really how skilled the allies player is at playing their hand.

This is very clearly (almost obviously) evident in 4v4s and which is also why it is unusual to see more than one US player in a game (their advantages quickly die off as more players are added)

Title #Promeo
Summary Blob your way to victory like the pros! Amass infantry in a giant roving unstoppable blob of doom. Your enemies will cower in fear! Once your captain hits vet 1, make sure to spam On Me! as frequently as possible for maximum blob power. Break suppression and laugh in the face of machine guns. Use smoke to close the distance and overwhelm all that stands in your way.
Game Modes Applicable 1v1+
Doctrines Selected Rifle Company for better riflemen, or Airborne for paratroopers instead
Build Order Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle Ambulance Captain Rifle Grenades Rifle BARs Rifle Bazookas Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle Rifle...
Notes Beware the stuka!

Title: Defenses? The Fatherland only needs to attack!

Summary:
Who says allies have to have the advantage of early game? break the allies backs before they have time to overwhelm you in the mid game! Use armored cars and light vehicles to kill off and chase down that hoard of rifle men or snipers. when the infidels have no more units its time to invade the base!

Game modes: 2v2 +

doctrines required: at least one OKW player and one Ostheer. Docterines are Mobile defense and mechanized. OKW player can do whatever they want.

Build order:
Early game OKW player needs kubels and sturm pios to keep the vehicles on the front. Mech HQ as soon as possible.

Ostheer player(s) need to start off the game with early units that dont require munitions to function well (snipers, mgs, mortars, a gren or so) and get T2 as soon as possible. From here its armored car, armored car, armored car, armored car! fuel cache is good to sprinkle in. Call in fallow up vehicle as soon as you have the CPs (StugE or Puma). OKW player should get a stuka to help break early defenses.

Replay: in progress

Notes:

the idea is to use the kubels, mg42s, sturm pios, and snipers to delay your opponents until your Ostheer team mate can surprise the enemy with 2-3 armored cars at once. The combinations of hitting with all this light armor at once will allow you to utterly smash a flank with little loss. Sturm pios will keep them on the front so you can continue to apply pressure and chase down retreating units. The Stuka is to remove the desperate AT attempts of your opponents. The StugE or puma will allow you to actually invade you opponents base and unlock them by killing off a base mg or so. Then you can simply attack and sit in your opponents base ending the game early.

In larger game modes this cheese works even better, as you add Ostheer players you add more scout cars to the initial surprise attack allowing you to squad wipe with even more reliability

Early mine sweepers are also needed (unless your opponents have no soviet players of which they are screwed)

Problem is it has similar cost to the Kat and deals half the damage of the kat. (Kat fires twice as many rockets)

what you are forgetting is the werfer does only one volley in its target area. The Kat fires multiple bursts allowing the axis player to get out before sustaining too much damage. I would take a werfer any day over the Kat if it were not for the Kat's vet ability.

On a side note, the werfer adds aa with its mg

I've had a quick discussion with Romeo and we've come to a few ideas that might be considered okay as far as treating Panzershrek blobs.

As it stands a lot of people are complaining about Volksgrenadier Panzershrek blobs and Obersoldaten support.


I think part of the problem may be included in a lack of munitions sinks for the OKW, aside from Grenades, MG Upgrades, and artillery strikes, there isn't much else to sink munitions into.


I think a good change to implement onto Volksgrenadiers specifically may be to include an automatic weapons combat package.

In history, Volksgrenadier was just a move to economize personnel into regiments of 6-line infantry instead of the standard 9-line infantry. This was already very real for a lot of divisions.

To compensate, volksgrenadiers were given a higher volume of automatic weapons, LMG's, SMG's, and of course the new "wonder weapon" the STG-44.

So the idea, would be to give the OKW Volksgrenadiers a automatic weapons combat package that includes 1x LMG-34/42, 1x STG-44, and 2x MP-40's. Completely removing the KAR-98k from their inventory, locking out panzershreks, and giving them coats for cold immunity.


Perhaps this combat package can also give them a couple grenade options, although I'm just slinging ideas.



This would allow Volksgrenadiers to be less reliant on Obersoldaten and Sturmpioneers, while also providing an excellent and viable munitions sink aside from more panzershreks.

lol pls no, we dont need one of the best scaling units in the game to also be able to kill all infantry with automatic weapons. Hell, you could make it cost 200 munitions and it would still be bought because now that volks unit can kill any other unit in the game besides maybe double lmg upgraded paras