Grens UP & G43s suck

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:11 PMStug life

dude, it is a straight dps buff, for the ranges above it

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:13 PMSkysTheLimit

Yes of course it is, for those ranges. But straight dps buff sounds more like what falls got, not Riflemen. There is a clear scale of difference in those changes

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:10 PMoootto92

Hey Distrofio and SkysTheLimit ýou boys now shake hands and kiss. Take your confusing feelings to other forum this one is about war, not love.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:17 PMStug life

.... well if u remove the fire rate buff, then yes it’s the same as falls

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:19 PMSkysTheLimit

I thought you wanted to talk about g43s? I gave you more thoughts on them like you asked

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:30 PMoootto92

You gave me the repeated answer of being good for mobile warfare which we all already know, but the thing I was after was how does this actually transfer into better performance in comparison to other options:
-when does that increased dps on the move outperform 5men grens who in addison to having increased dps on the move are better every other way except super close range.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:19 PMSkysTheLimit

I thought you wanted to talk about g43s? I gave you more thoughts on them like you asked



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Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:35 PMSkysTheLimit

Okay so upgrade vs. upgrade i think the 5 men grens are better. The difference is the options around it. I can get g43 grens on a Commander with a Tiger and SCAS, with a Tiger ACE and Stormtroopers, etc.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:47 PMdistrofio

If early gren lack of firepower is the thread issue, imo the solution is to use combined arms.

It is true though that G43 arrives too late for the early game time frame, but that might be intentional. Axis have a strong mid game if you consider OKW lights and OST mediums.

Early OST Infantry combat is focused on stationary gameplay and effective ground hold

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:36 PMStug life

the fall got 2 changes, buff the mid range point (like rifle) and rof buff,

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:48 PMoootto92

This still doesn't mean that g43s aren't a terrible choice at 2CP instead of LMGs so I would not use that as an argument as to why g43s have to be 2CP.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:54 PMSkysTheLimit

Ppshs for conscripts are cp2, so it seems pretty fair

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:54 PMSkysTheLimit

Yeah I understood what you meant... My point is you can't just remove a buff like that. An ROF buff significantly effects dps...

You are also forgetting Far cooldown buff, and ambush bonus

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 18:06 PMStug life

dude i was comparing just the change to range,

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 18:09 PMSkysTheLimit

Okay but I wasn't. This started with me saying falls got more of an actual dps buff than Rifleman. Then you decided to remove half of the buffs, because reasons.

Falls have a change that effects all ranges (rof buff, ambush bonus) Rifleman do not. Now get back to the topic, this is straying far enough away already

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 17:08 PMSkysTheLimit

Sort of. It's still only a slight buff to close range dps. The curve just changed, but ranges 0-3 it's still the same dps

So saying it as "straight dps buff" is misleading

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 18:26 PMStug life

nope it started with u saying

which is plain wrong , as from 3 to 15 there is a dps increase with no draw backs and is quite substantial at close range

then instead of saying "sorry i made a wrong statement" u decided to derail

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 18:32 PMSkysTheLimit

What are you talking about? Where is the wrong statement? I wasn't even talking about falls in that post, so it can't be where it started....

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 18:35 PMStug life

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u started saying that rifle buff was not a straight dps increase, i said no it is, then u brought falls , cause u could not just say, "im wrong".....