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You already forgot how only 10 mp difference made cons utter trash compared to volks?
40 mp between generalist infantries is a MASSIVE cost difference.
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Grens are the best 240 MP unit in the game BY FAR. Look at the price difference between Grens and Rifles, 40 MP. Then look at the preformance difference, there pretty close even if Rifles have a little bit of an edge. Now look at the price difference between Rear Echeleons and Grens, also 40 MP but the preformance gap is huge.
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...unless you charge them with Sov flame engineer (180 manpower)
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Damn, when did they made soviet flamers free?
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it's not free - 60 munis for best results accompany with merge conscripts and watch grens die
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Ok, lets sum up - you are using 2 different units, ability of 1 of them and muni upgrade for another one and... are surprised that unupgraded grens, that cost incomparably less next to that combination lose?
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You already forgot how only 10 mp difference made cons utter trash compared to volks?
40 mp between generalist infantries is a MASSIVE cost difference.
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Someone clearly does not play the soviets... engineers cost 170 manpower... play the other faction before complaining you dope
I'm a fan of Sov and always feel pity for ost when stealing their mgs and team weapons. I love how nicely they die to Soviet flame arty etc. And....
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gren g43 have a very high moving accuracy allowing for a more offensive gameplay, the same time they are cheaper allowing 4 gren builds etc.
I personnaly think g43 are better then ppsh for cons any day, just saying they are useless isnt right at all, i personally use them all the time. They get used in tournaments too, and 2cp is very fast
Dont fix what aint broken
Merging 5 men grens with g43 would just make this game more stall, and 5 men isnt really an on the move upgrate (like g43) and would just make the game more stall and boring.
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I've made this statement a while ago, but it seems people have observed that rifles may be too good vs agrens now.
I think the excuse that "rifles dominate grens at close range anyways so it won't affect balance" is utter horseshit. You can place rifles in ambush position or naturally have an advantage on CQC maps where it's hard to pick a long range engagement. How would allies like it if grens had their max range buffed and say well cons lose at long range anyways, so it doesn't matter.
All the blame goes on whoever in the bal team thought they were so smart on buffing rifles instead of nerfing volks. And initial OKW mp didn't need to be decreased. Volks prepatch were very cost efficient vs rifles and cons and maybe struggled just a bit vs sections. But after the section nerf, a volk nerf wouldn't hurt OKW early game power much.
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I've made this statement a while ago, but it seems people have observed that rifles may be too good vs agrens now.
I think the excuse that "rifles dominate grens at close range anyways so it won't affect balance" is utter horseshit. You can place rifles in ambush position or naturally have an advantage on CQC maps where it's hard to pick a long range engagement. How would allies like it if grens had their max range buffed and say well cons lose at long range anyways, so it doesn't matter.
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Fully agreed - had a match that almost lost because of how ineffective assgrens have become against rifles. Again I fully agree that power creep has not ended yet. (Game is still one of the most balanced asymetrical games there are, so I love the patch team still
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Though I absolutely hate the rifle change (and falls overbuff) all the other changes are very welcome and I still think this patch is an overall success.
I saw some tightrope tests on his channel and they didn't seem to be that great against similarly priced allied squads - sort of even or slightly worse than allied counterparts. But a lot of people complain I guess so we'll see.
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I've made this statement a while ago, but it seems people have observed that rifles may be too good vs agrens now.
I think the excuse that "rifles dominate grens at close range anyways so it won't affect balance" is utter horseshit.
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It wont effect balance between grens and rifles that much is what im saying. That doesnt mean its not effecting balance at all.
Im just more concerned about how it effects squads like pgrens, sturms, and agrens like you mentioned. All those squads benefit from closing the distance against rifleman, and that has now been made more difficult
Grens already wanted to keep rifles at a distance, so compared to those squads the matchup has changed a whole lot less. That's basically what im trying to say
i really dont think its an issue. the g43 upgrade offers increased mobile firepower and better damage up close, 2 things grens struggle with. as an upgrade i think its fine, i believe the hang up is more in the fact that pgrens come sooner now so such an upgrade doesnt really have a place as pgrens do it better. changing the upgrade would require more of an overhaul.
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I feel like Pgrens are still pretty decent against rifles but Sturms seem to have really been struggling against rifles in my more recent games. Can't comment on AssGrens because I havent used them recently
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