Rifles overperforming?

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 22:44 PMMr Carmine

Falls got multyple things changed and buffed.
Dps buffs effecting all ranges plus first strike bonus. cp,s lowered, vet recc acc buffed, price buffed.

Rifles got a dps increase at short to mid range......

So no irony here my friend.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 01:37 AMachpawel

Why nobody touches commandos from UK? Their wiping potential is huge. Thry can equip at weapons and have lots of abilities including demos, retreat with smoke, powerful gammons, are larger squads and also get first strike bonuses. I don't see much difference here.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 01:37 AMachpawel

Why nobody touches commandos from UK? Their wiping potential is huge. Thry can equip at weapons and have lots of abilities including demos, retreat with smoke, powerful gammons, are larger squads and also get first strike bonuses. I don't see much difference here.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 01:42 AMthedarkarmadillo

Long range dps is the difference. Retreat from bayonet range and commandos arnt going to wipe you. Retreat from falls an you are getting equally fucked by every bullet.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 01:24 AMdistrofio

Im pretty sure that if devs buff volks in any way, the most insignificant buff will trigger a bloated reaction, the same you just ironically pointed i was making, that was made to mirror the one before.

So my point is not only still standing but also was proven.

I dont really care about it TBH, people overreact every time they dont like what they see, im not personal neither, i just elaborated to the end my point because it was necessary.

Im fine if FSJ get a nerf ATM, i just said what i disagree but i can be wrong too.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 03:19 AMMazianni

Does anyone actually have a replay or a video of bren commandos being used competitively

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 03:19 AMMazianni

Does anyone actually have a replay or a video of bren commandos being used competitively

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 03:19 AMMazianni

Does anyone actually have a replay or a video of bren commandos being used competitively

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 03:00 AMachpawel

In ambush scenarios you just hard retreat anyway. 4 men squishy squad vs close range more durable - seems fair. Also you can always give brens to commandos. They are more versatile.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 12:12 PMthedarkarmadillo

My point is that retreat won't save you against falls like it will commandos because of the range difference. Old falls were fine, good if used properly but punishing if used poorly. Now you get good results using them like volks and even better if you ambush. You can't really use them wrong which is a bad design. The small sample size from testing didn't reveal it as such unfortunately but live game is proving problematic.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 12:48 PMachpawel

I must trust You on that - however, I do get the feeling that when axis confronted uberpowerful commandos, it was l2p and adapt issue from many allied players perspective (and to those shocking then gammon bombs!). Now I regularly kill whole squads with commandos; be it demos, gammons or just close range amushes and nobody wants to admit they are v. powerful. When it is the axis it gets changed a tad too quickly and too much, instead of players' adapting. I'm ok with them being more expensive (recent nerf), maybe even more but I'd leave them where they are for some time (maybe see what happens in a tournament?).

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 16:05 PMelchino7

Commandos main cheese and role was, stay cloaked, throw nuke nade and wipe a squad. Something OH can also do after changes to camouflage and PG.
They are only good at that and they pay for it in their cost acquistion and having the worst infantry based vet in the game.

This is why they can't be compared IMO cause they have completely different strengths, usage (Commando/Falls) and scaling.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 16:15 PMVipper

that is no longer accurate, commandos vet bonus have increased allot and combined with base stat make the unit scale well...

vet 1 passive healing , Unlocks light smoke grenade
Vet 2 +35% speed during ambush for 3.25 second, +30% accuracy, 25% grenade range
Vet 3 0.9 received accuracy, Squad drops a big smoke grenade on retreat

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 16:31 PMHon3ynuts

Which infantry units are you comparing this to which would have worse stat bonuses than this?
To my knowledge 30% acc and no cooldown is quite low as is .9 RA

For comparison tommies have 25% acc, -20% cd and .77 RA as vet bonuses
...

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 16:15 PMVipper

that is no longer accurate, commandos vet bonus have increased allot and combined with base stat make the unit scale well...

vet 1 passive healing , Unlocks light smoke grenade
Vet 2 +35% speed during ambush for 3.25 second, +30% accuracy, 25% grenade range
Vet 3 0.9 received accuracy, Squad drops a big smoke grenade on retreat

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 17:17 PMelchino7

I know, and it still the worst infantry vet in the game (IB4 engineers). I'll be honest that i forgot the speed buff on ambush, but nevertheless, my statement is still true. If the word "worst" triggers you, i'll consider the vet worst than:

Con, Penal, Guard, Shock, Partisan, Gren, PG, Osstruppen, Ass G, Storm, Jaeger, Rifles, RE, LT, Cpt, Ass Eng, Pathfinders, Cavalry, Paras, SP, Volks, Ober, PF, JLI, Falls, IS.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 17:35 PMVipper

Commandos vs Paras

vet 1
passive healing , Unlocks light smoke grenade vs -25% ability recharge time
point goes to Commandos

vet 2
+35% speed during ambush for 3.25 second, +30% accuracy, 25% grenade range vs +25% accuracy, +25% grenade range, Passive Healing
point goes to Commandos

Vet 3
0.9 received accuracy, Squad drops a big smoke grenade on retreat vs -20% weapon cooldown, -29% received accuracy
point goes to Paras

All and all better RA accuracy bonus (but worse total number) vs 0.5 accuracy and -20% weapon CD on top of that Commandos get healing earlier a smoke grenade and smoke bomb on retreat.

I would call them in line.