Fallschirmjäger is very OP!

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 18:39 PMStug life

well commando brens beat falls at all ranges i posted proof in the thread with tests

they don't have better vet as they still lose even at vet 5 vs commando bren as shown in test

please actually play the game and do test before saying thing that comes in ur mind


Both of U are just propagandist for allied fan boy when u literally just have to check the thread as I did test but prefer to lie , well at least evryone can see for who U really are

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2019, 20:37 PMdistrofio

I would like to adress the fact that we are talking Falls vs UKF specifically, when the most offended should be SU for obvious reasons (bad MG, sub Optimal stock infantry)

If the issue is late game scenarios, if axis infantry is the problem, then recur to big AoE skills, rocket arty, Tanks with good AI and HMGs and problemo solved.
UKF has IS pyro howitzers, cromwells-churchills-centaurs, no rocket arty maybe but good killing HMGs.

In CoH2 not killing can be considered a win, a retreating squad is a small victory, a displaced unit is a unit being softly defeated. Since unit preservation is important neither axis or allies have omnipotent luxury of deleting enemies squad at will.

Falls are good, dont get me wrong, they are the new JLI but going hyperbolic on their performance is just wrong. If FSJ faust is removed they are no longer elite infantry if they loose their AI they become ambush specialist infantry (but now its bonus is at Vet5, ending in an overall nerf)

On the other side If reinforce cost is increased then falls will be less used in frontlines and in bad trade scenarios

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2019, 19:12 PMStug life

u know what u said makes no sense right ? i do agree in increasing the price but their performance is below double bren commando

and double bren commando have been int he game since 2 years, nobody used them, now we have a bit worse and a bit cheaper 4 men double bren commando they are now op ?

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2019, 06:07 AMSuperHansFan

Add up the cost of

1. Infiltration commando
2.reinforcement cost to 5man because they start with 3
3.Bren rack fuel and mp cost
4.90muni for double brens

And then compare this to what you need for quad fg42 falls and I think you'll see where the problem is.

Getting a double Bren commando squad costs like double the price of one fall squad.

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2019, 06:07 AMSuperHansFan

Add up the cost of

1. Infiltration commando
2.reinforcement cost to 5man because they start with 3
3.Bren rack fuel and mp cost
4.90muni for double brens

And then compare this to what you need for quad fg42 falls and I think you'll see where the problem is.

Getting a double Bren commando squad costs like double the price of one fall squad.

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2019, 06:53 AMSerrith

I don't think this is a fair representation. Glider commandos are a much closer approximation to the type of callin that FSJ are, and the cost of racks has to be divided into the number of squads it's used for so if you get 4 commandos the utility of that 15 fuel investment has to be split 4 ways. You dont tech racks for just one squad, so you cant really use the full tech cost to represent one squad.

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2019, 06:07 AMSuperHansFan

Add up the cost of

1. Infiltration commando
2.reinforcement cost to 5man because they start with 3
3.Bren rack fuel and mp cost
4.90muni for double brens

And then compare this to what you need for quad fg42 falls and I think you'll see where the problem is.

Getting a double Bren commando squad costs like double the price of one fall squad.

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2019, 07:47 AMSuperHansFan

glider commandos are even more expensive because you are forced to buy an officer and retreat point before you can even purchase one squad.


Infiltration commandos come in the strongest and most picked commando doctrine so it's completely relevant, why do you think players like Jove will insta lock mobile assault commander and use a single squad yet never fork out for brens or extra squads? Because it's redicoulsly expensive compared to falls.

Upgrading brens on commomandos is just dumb, you pay a premium but you get out traded anyway by vet obers and falls as the game drags on. I don't know why people are bringing them up as proof of anything because they are way more expensive and still inferior lacking snare from camo.

And yes been racks need to be accounted for, because it's not exactly easy to afford when Tommies have just been hit with the nerfbat and 5man upgrade is basically mandatory now.

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2019, 23:02 PMdistrofio

If falls keep being as they are now, why dont we just change obers?

Jump back to quoted post5 Oct 2019, 21:17 PMKobal

Falls are too strong all around units.

Jump back to quoted post5 Oct 2019, 23:32 PMdistrofio

But so are penals, rangers or Pgrens...

I could argue that pfaust on falls is good, maybe giving them a different snare, a one with shorter range, like a magnetic shaped charge (IIRC they existed and were used in ww2) with half the range and half the damage of pfaust can put falls in a more balanced position

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 01:52 AMblancat

Choose only one

AT snare vs camo strike bonus

falls must have only one of these two

The short range of the AT snare is not a problem because he has a camo

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 01:58 AMT.R. Stormjäger

Sure, then make Luftwaffe Ground Forces a stronger commander. Falls have to carry their entire doctrine to relevancy, yet everyone acts as if they’re a problematic stock unit.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 02:07 AMblancat

already strong, dude

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2019, 02:12 AMT.R. Stormjäger

Yes you said nerf falls, so I said buff the commander. It’s not hard to follow.

Unless you think the commander itself besides falls is strong, in which case I’m just gonna laugh.