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The tigers have far AOE damage from .1 to 1.75.... is that a typo or is it really getting a 17x boost and also beyond close AOE damage?
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Any gren that eats a 80*0.8 mortar round or grenade is still going to tank between 2-3 direct hit rifle rounds, and all at the single model level
Was a response to Hoshi, who was the prior poster when post was written. Thanks for adding a useless post to the thread.
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Any gren that eats a 80*0.8 mortar round or grenade is still going to tank between 2-3 direct hit rifle rounds, and all at the single model level
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Why not just give grens 2 extra HP (like the wehr sniper) at vet 2/3?
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Obviously a typo, but I have no idea what it's supposed to be honestly (perhaps 0.175). Will get the correct values updated asap.
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- Far AOE damage from 0.2 to 0.225
- Mid AOE distance from 0.35 to 0.4
- HVAP cost from 90 to 60.
Fragmentation round damage mid from 0.35 to 0.5
Fragmentation round far damage from 0.135 to 0.2
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For one, 80 x .8 is 64. This leaves 16 HP. So when you say 2-3 im sure you actually meant 1-2.
For two, I don't know about you, but im not leaving a squad fighting when they'll die in one or two shots.
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Nonsense they desperately needs this, as they get wiped so freaking easily with their 4 model squads.
As it is right now, every ostheer players is getting needlessly punished for just playing the faction and using its core mainline infantry unit with 4 models that get wiped by every sneeze and breeze out there
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Rifle damage is also multiplied by 0.8. So combat engineers (the only allied unit with 16 damage rifles) will still need 2 hits.
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Because Howitzers and tank shells deal 160 damage or more and have high close AOE damage. 82 hitpoints would do close to nothing to avoid getting oneshot by the near AOE of such weapons.
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Isn't that true for all the other 4-man squads? Or even 5 man squads who cluster behind say a single stretch of sandbag... or yellow cover? I've had plenty of games where a 6 man squad gets nuked by a LEFH or walking stuka (especially team weapons like a mortar).
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????? like ?
Tell that to the non doc soviet vehicle rooster. Every time a axis soldier farts a soviet vehicle is destroyed. They are needlesly punished for it.
The weak soviet vehicles and low hp ost squads are there by design. Ost has doctrines for that just as soviets have for weapon upgrades.
I think this is a bad change.
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Does this mean isu 152 AOE will also have less damage against Grens? If it does it negates the point of the high explosive shells.
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I edited my post right before this, expecting such a response from you.
Read the patch notes in this very thread. You know, the ones for the patch we're all discussing.
Squad-wipes are only an issue when it's Ostheer bitching about it, because absolutely no other faction in the game uses cover or stands still when firing.
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I edited my post right before this, expecting such a response from you.
Read the patch notes in this very thread. You know, the ones for the patch we're all discussing.
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Isn't that true for all the other 4-man squads? Or even 5 man squads who cluster behind say a single stretch of sandbag... or yellow cover? I've had plenty of games where a 6 man squad gets nuked by a LEFH or walking stuka (especially team weapons like a mortar).
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Guards still have 16 dmg rifles btw.
Combat Engineers
- Mosin Nagant rifle now matches those used by Conscripts
- Damage from 16 to 12
- Accuracy from 0.518/0.449/0.334 to 0.757/0.660/0.557
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Yes, but other 4 men squads are elite infantry that are supposed to be vulnerable, and not the mainline infantry. Obviously 5 and 6 man squads can be oneshot by explosive weapons too, but the chance of a full 5-6 model wipe is signifcantly lower than with the 4 men Grenadiers.
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oh yes they will be less useful vs vet 0 green right ?
I guess so... I don't really think this is an elegant fix to what the perceived problem is, but oh well.
I think this change will punish small explosions over the big ones, and as a result make teching nades an even less appealing option.
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