Tank destroyer interactions

I personally don’t like the range VS health mechanic, because it is disproportionately infuened by map design, and because it causes problems in team games.

So here is an alternate way to balance tank destroyers

Cromwell: 40 range, 640hp, 5.5-6s reload, 160/80 armour, 135 - 120 - 105 pen
Panzer (Ost): 40 range, 640hp, 5.3-5.7s reload, 180/90 armour, 120 - 115 - 110 pen

Panther: 50 range, 960hp, 5.2-5.6s reload, 260/90 armour, 260-240-210 pen

Jackson: 60range, 640hp, 4.5-5s reload, 130/60 armour, 260 - 240 -210 pen



Proposal:

Mediums: increased close penetration (70% pen chance) vs panthers, standard 5.3s -5.7s reload

Panther: 50 range 960hp, 6.6 - 7.2s reload, 270/90 armour 135 - 120 - 115 pen

Jackson: (focus fire mode) 50 range 640hp 4.3 - 4.5s reload 160/80 armour 200- 180- 160 pen 120degree field of fire, high accuracy
Non focus fire: 5.3- 5.7 reload

Focus fire is there because it functions like the panther’s low rear armour & incetivises hard flanks
The reason why I propose increasing the panther’s reload instead of lowering HP is to normalize 2 panthers vs 2 Jacksons

So: 2 panther shots for every 3 Jackson shots, Jackson has 33% more DPS. Panther has 33% more HP, TTK will be equal for both. They are both have 1 shot faster ttk than mediums because of their faster fire rate / more HP, and are even better at long range due to better pen/ accuracy




This would also mean Jagdtiger/ elephant could be nerfed

While I don’t like the range vs HP mechanic, it’s fine with Panthers & su85s / fireflys, I think the Jackson is still too good

Boi....

Boi....

Uncomplicated problems require overcomplecated solutions

Uncomplicated problems require overcomplecated solutions

How many hoops can I set up such that I can find an in game way to justify making sure nothing outranges my panther?

Actually Panther reload time is 5.2（+1）~5.6（+1）

"Panther: 50 range 960hp, 6.6 - 7.2s reload, 270/90 armour 135 - 120 - 115 pen"

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That moment OP put so much effort, even though his idea is bad and the information he based his decisions and stats on are incorrect.


1- Reload is only a component of a tank's RoF. You are still missing this values: Aim and ready times, wind up and wind down.

Jackson: 6.56
PV: 6.66

2- I don't think you realise how TTK works, specially when you base your decisions in scenarios when you take into account more than 1 source of AT.

No tank has to reload before shooting for the first time. This makes so that in a 2v2 Jackson vs PV scenario, you are gonna end up with a dead Jackson after the first reload cycle.

3- You are making anti heavy tank destroyers into medium brawlers/TD, when the both factions already have them in the form of Stug and M10 (and non doctrinally USF has plenty of options for anti medium).

Actually Panther reload time is 5.2（+1）~5.6（+1）

Panther reload is 6.65 seconds.

The Jackson's is 6.55 seconds.

Panther reload is 6.65 seconds.

The Jackson's is 6.55 seconds.

Jackson confirmed insanely op once again!

"Panther: 50 range 960hp, 6.6 - 7.2s reload, 270/90 armour 135 - 120 - 115 pen"

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lmao

My favorite part is:

Mediums: increased close penetration (70% pen chance) vs panthers, standard 5.3s -5.7s reload

Where he suggests giving mediums ~200 close pen...

My favorite part is:

Where he suggests giving mediums ~200 close pen...

That's not necessarily a bad idea if you make Range Mid really short too. Like, 5 to 10 short.

You'd create a Point Blank mechanic for tanks: their penetration spikes if they drive into effectively melee range.

That'd cleverly solve a lot of issues with the armour system without rocking the boat too much.

Yea tbh I don't hate it at all. Could actually be really cool on light tanks as well. Takin chip damage with a Stuart up your bung hole.

That's not necessarily a bad idea if you make Range Mid really short too. Like, 5 to 10 short.

You'd create a Point Blank mechanic for tanks: their penetration spikes if they drive into effectively melee range.

That'd cleverly solve a lot of issues with the armour system without rocking the boat too much.

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I agree with lago and stuglife too