Soviet General Faction Changes - New cmdr mod 5.0

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:09 PMKirrik

USF AT gun which is considered worst AT gun in game

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:09 PMKirrik

Just a reminder - cost of M-42 is just 30 MP lower than USF AT gun which is considered worst AT gun in game, and M-42 stats make it seem great in comparison, especially if you consider fact that it's doctrinal and sov already has zis-3
Canister is better off being removed than remain in it's current state, just give the damn thing better pen or ability to garrison so it can actually do it's role as AT gun.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:37 PMStug life

hey guys nobody is happy that maxim is finally getting fixed

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:46 PMFarlion

Did I really see someone say that USF AT gun is the worst in-game? Must have been my imagination, surely.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:46 PMFarlion

Did I really see someone say that USF AT gun is the worst in-game? Must have been my imagination, surely.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:48 PMKirrik

Assuming you're not using tungsten it obivously IS worst at gun

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:48 PMKirrik

Assuming you're not using tungsten it obivously IS worst at gun. If you include that then gap between USF gun and M-42 becomes monstrous.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:47 PMLago

On raw penetration values, it is.

But it's cheaper, can extend its range, has a wider arc and has a timed ability to pen like other AT guns.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:58 PMFarlion

Sure, but looking only at raw penetration is like looking at a quarter of a picture.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:44 PMKirrik

You guys realize that nothing can possible justify that gap in performance for just 30mp? Especially for a doctrinal unit

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:42 PMKatitof

Vet1 buff that relies on always having forward unit in front of it or a gypsy with crystal ball by your side or a literal map hack to have any effect that won't result in overrun or stolen(heh like they'd be stupid enough to steal it) maxim.

We may have very different definitions of "fixed" here.
But well....
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Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 23:03 PMJibberJabberJobber

The M42 does NOT compete with the USF AT gun, so this is barely an argument. Even then, the USF AT gun has a 4 men crew, no AI capabilities, a significant tech cost/trade-off, a slower turn rate and no stealth. You can't just compare the 30 mp difference between their base price.

Urban Defense is the only doctrine that combines an effective light vehicle counter (M42) with Shocks, which - together with the KV2 - has made it the most prominent sov meta this patch. All other Shocktrooper doctrines have to backtech ZIS to survive the light vehicle onslaught, unless you start with T2 and want to autolose.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 23:16 PMKirrik

Urban defense is meta because canister abuse, the same way mobile defense was meta because of call-in abuse. It does not change the fact M-42 received heavy nerfs to it's AI and cost increase to the level of proper AT-gun without any buff to it's ability to scale into late game like all other AT guns have

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 00:13 AMmurky depths

M3. As in the scout car? So does that mean the soviet one has worse moving accuracy for riders as well?

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:37 PMStug life

hey guys nobody is happy that maxim is finally getting fixed

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 00:31 AMSander93

No, the M3 Half Track that comes in the USF Mechanized Commander.