Buff Ostwind

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 11:55 AMKurfürst

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OTOH one needs to be careful not to create a situation where bumping into an Ostwind make you loose (generally far more expensive) Allied light without reasonable chance to escape. So that makes me wary of increasing the pen because it again gives you far too guaranteed, but due to low damage, meh results. Increasing rof on the other hand would boost potential damage vs lights, limited by clip size.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 11:39 AMKatitof

Which light vehicle?
Because you most certainly do not talk about Luchs here and comparing light tank to a half truck is a lil bit.... bias enforcing.

Jump back to quoted post20 Nov 2018, 12:19 PMVipper

Another approach would be to make Ostwind extremely good vs Light vehicles/tanks.

This could be done by giving Ostwind have access to AP rounds which is historically correct since it could fire such rounds. There even reports 37mm gun could destroy T-34.

In game the the AP round could serve as a hard counter to light tanks like the T-70, Stuart, valentine...The unit might need some additional changes like smaller size and more speed to be able to chase these units.

The Centaur already completely destroys most axis light vehicles and tanks while Ostheer seem to struggle against such vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 13:06 PMThamor

I agree in everything you said, but it doesn't need buff to speed to chase it should be a defensive counter to those vehicles so they don't rampage freely, but it really should perform against infantry much closer to centaur.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 12:24 PMVipper

Pls go and play with ulumulu, grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

Ostwind is more expensive than most allied vehicles, in addition I proposed access to AP rounds and not buffing the standard penetration.

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 22:56 PMKatitof

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Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 22:56 PMKatitof

AP rounds is absolutely last thing it needs, it never had any to begin with, being AA gun.
If it needs anything, moving some of its vet RoF into base gun should suffice.

It isn't falling behind Centaur 30 seconds or so, it lags 10 seconds behind in worst scenario, it hardly justifies anything else then RoF transfer from vet to base and evaluating from there.

(I suppose you're very careful with balance exclusively when it comes to allied units, if axis unit is in question, you do not seem to have anything holding you back in regards to most silly buffs)

Jump back to quoted post21 Nov 2018, 23:51 PMLago

Performance against enemy light vehicles seems pretty similar to the Centaur after some tests, so I'd say that's about right.

The problem is the Panzer IV. It's as good as an Ostwind on AI, and has the edge over enemy mediums on AT. It's almost always worth it to wait the extra 25 FU.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2018, 02:08 AMCresc

in what world the p4 is overperforming LMAO
Ostwind is not viable because it doesn't do shit, and in the current meta it's not a viable option against the flurry of anty tank units allies can pull out.

Unless you have a build that can blend well with ostwind it's not going to work.
By blending I mean builds that work only in specific maps where you can use Paks and Stugs at your advantage.

The p4 seems like a better option all the time.

Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2018, 00:37 AMDarkshaddowsss

Part of the issue is that panzer 4s are overperforming, if they got nerfed, the ostwind would be more viable because the p4 will give enough anti-infantry. With this considered I would slightly buff the range on the ostwind and lower the AI damage on the p4. By doing this it would stop Wehrmacht from becoming more OP.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 05:11 AMFelixTHM

If you nerfed Ost P4 then Mobile Defence into T4 becomes the only viable playstyle.

The Ostwind is simply terrible right now. Decent anti-infantry but low armour, high scatter on the move, and can't do anything vs even a Stuart or T70. It's horribly expensive for what it does, and it's vastly inferior to the Centaur. Centaur has vet 1 strafe, better damage profile, and higher armour for a similar cost. Centaur is also able to rip through Axis light armour.

Wehrmacht is strong right now but the Ostwind is definitely not in a good spot.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 10:11 AMEsxile

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Ostwind need to stop to deal good damage and we can compare its damage as a dot damage, it rarely kill models in one shot except if they are on the wrong side of a shotblocker.
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