Panzer Tactician too strong, prove me wrong.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2018, 20:33 PMthedarkarmadillo

imo it should fire slightly in front of it instead of hosing itself down like a teenage boy in the locker room armed with a can of axe. an arming time or some travel time would be great but a price increase would certainly be nice as well. id like to see it uses as a tactical aid for panzers (like the smoke allied tanks have) instead of a powdered french flag signaling time for a hasty retreat

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 01:52 AMelchino7

OP is right. Panzer tactician is strong. But strong doesn't necessarily mean overpowered or that it requires a change.

If you put a gun on my head and force me to change something i'll just make it so you can't use both smoke and blitzkrieg at the same time.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 09:36 AMVipper

Although the title of this thread has some rhyme, it is pretty bad.

I would suggest that if you want make a claim support it other and do not taunt others prove the opposite.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 05:01 AMLeOverlord

Axis : [Dives in with a vehicle, HP reduced to ~20%, Allied vehicles or AT infantry gets ready for another salvo. Pops smoke and drives away. Allied players try to chase it down but are instantly forced back by mass Axis concentrations of support weapons and infantry]

Allies : [Dives in with a vehicle, HP reduced to ~20%, attempts to pop smoke, dies from concentrated AT fire before the smoke even pops out].

Axis don't even have to try to kill an Allied tank or even avoid losing a vehicle...

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 14:18 PMLoxley

1. No one dives in with a 20% vehicle.

2. Every side has its unique features. It is like I would suggest to give axis tank crews the same repair ability like USF tanks.

Axis have very expensive tanks and are most outnumbered in tank battles. Allies dive in with a couple of tanks, the ones who are badly damaged drive back and are fast repaired by their own crew, while axis player, who already paid more for the tank, has to build 1-2 addional pios (to have at least 3) to repair at the same level. But axis have still "mass concentration of support weapons and infantry", yeah yeah.

And now you want to take away that smoke solution, which is only in some commanders..

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 15:54 PMthedarkarmadillo

B4 was only in 1 commander, required vet, recon, pre-aiming, a BUTT load of munitions and most importantly: the enemy to allow you to retain your vet and sit still long enough to give you something to shoot at (and then the 4 years of shell travel time) so it was fine? Now it's a meme unit whose vet ability WAS a non vet ability, that costs 90 mu but can still miss...

Edit: also if poor "Axis" has to build multiple pios to repair (psst. Sturms can speed up their repair with an upgrade and have a truck that will repair) what does the Soviet have to do? At least pios have the capability to support and get vet by being armed with bullets and not blanks.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 15:54 PMthedarkarmadillo

Edit: also if poor "Axis" has to build multiple pios to repair (psst. Sturms can speed up their repair with an upgrade and have a truck that will repair) what does the Soviet have to do? At least pios have the capability to support and get vet by being armed with bullets and not blanks.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 15:54 PMthedarkarmadillo

also if poor "Axis" has to build multiple pios to repair (psst. Sturms can speed up their repair with an upgrade and have a truck that will repair) what does the Soviet have to do?

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 15:54 PMthedarkarmadillo

At least pios have the capability to support and get vet by being armed with bullets and not blanks.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 19:03 PMWingZero

I think the problem is the micro tax is 0 for Panzer Tactician. If you are playing US, you incur extra micro tax to use smoke.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 14:18 PMLoxley

1. No one dives in with a 20% vehicle.

2. Every side has its unique features. It is like I would suggest to give axis tank crews the same repair ability like USF tanks.

Axis have very expensive tanks and are most outnumbered in tank battles. Allies dive in with a couple of tanks, the ones who are badly damaged drive back and are fast repaired by their own crew, while axis player, who already paid more for the tank, has to build 1-2 addional pios (to have at least 3) to repair at the same level. But axis have still "mass concentration of support weapons and infantry", yeah yeah.

And now you want to take away that smoke solution, which is only in some commanders..

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2018, 19:10 PMKatitof

There is also a matter of time between click and effect.
For USF its good couple of seconds before launchers get the smoke to where it needs to be, same with cromwell smoke, PT however is instant and on the tank.

Jump back to quoted post24 Sep 2018, 14:12 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

I don't think it's ever going to be touched, Wehr has a lot of over the top stuff that's been unchanged for years, sadly.
It's really funny when their vehicles can blitz on reverse and pop ninja smoke though.