Balance 2018 2vs2

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 14:52 PMVipper

From a statistical point of a view it is exactly the opposite. The top and bottom values are disregarded and only the 90% of values (Gauss) are used.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 14:57 PMTheGentlemenTroll

Yet most games balance around its top percentile, why? Because these player know how to play the game and understand the game mechanics while mid to low Elo have other variables that can cause imbalance. Generally when considering balance, balancing for the top percent allows the lower Elo to follow suit as the top percent always define meta anyways.


Edit: Phones autocorrect is being a dick

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 13:07 PMCultist_kun

So pretty much game exists on for tournaments, top players, there are no different maps, no different situations, no different skill levels and playerbases.

Yeah, i'm pretty sure that tournament represents game balance perfectly.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 15:02 PMVipper

In lol if only a top player can use a champion it does not get nerfed it get redesigned.

I addition if you value top player so much read what Cruzz commented in this thread.

• Jackson is over-performing, especially coupled with popcap manipulation allowing them to be spammed.
  
• Indirect fire options are very strong compared to OKW, Ost can keep up for the most part.
  
• Infantry is in a good spot.
  

• Double bren Tommies are overperforming, they should be limited to one LMG.
  
• Indirect fire options are lacking now that the mortar pit has been nerfed into the ground.
  
• Lack of vehicle snare can be really painful.
  
• Firefly feels very balanced compared to the Jackson.
  

• All openers (Cons/T1/T2) are very strong. Sniper being OP on most maps.
  
• Katyusha is way too effective at long range. It can safely get wipes and vets up very quickly.
  
• SU76 is over-performing. Its range/pen need to go down, and the barrage needs to cost munitions.
  
• SU85 is a monster with vet, possibly over-performing.
  
• PPSH cons are too cost-effective, leaving Shocks with no place in the game.
  
• Guards are back to being the jack of all trades elite inf. The buff to PTRS damage vs infantry was completely unnecessary.
  

• Mortar is over-performing, especially vs Brits early game.
  
• Grens are incredibly fragile mid/late game; I'd love to see a 5th man either via vet like REs or via upgrade like Brits.
  
• 222 is a joke unit that really needs some love vs snipers especially.
  
• Panther is in an awkward spot. Is it a TD, or is it a brawler? Pick one and give it the same treatment that its allied counterparts get.
  

• Good aggressive early game.
  
• Vet system needs an overhaul, right now it's inconsistent and often detrimental. Make vet levels 1-3 equal in strength and attainability to other factions and levels 4 & 5 unlock abilities across the board.
  
• Popcap numbers need to be brought down on a lot of units now that they're not nearly as strong; vehicles mostly.
  
• Struggles vs both maxim and sniper openers from Soviets.
  
• Same Panther issues as Ost.
  

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 15:02 PMVipper

In lol if only a top player can use a champion it does not get nerfed it get redesigned.

I addition if you value top player so much read what Cruzz commented in this thread.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 16:21 PMsiddolio

Where any of you get the idea that axis get more rewarded for squad preservation is just plain dumb, good luck reinvesting 120 muni into infantry over and over again so they can get rewiped by brumm/werfer.

What the fuck are you losing axis infantry to other than a centaur

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 16:22 PMTheGentlemenTroll

Grenades OP Kappa

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 16:23 PMsiddolio

Right so it is as I thought.

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Grens are incredibly fragile mid/late game; I'd love to see a 5th man either via vet like REs or via upgrade like Brits.

Gren fragile meme is long dead, axis have better value units for trading, the good allied off-maps are much better in 1v1 than 2v2, axis still has aura units that haven't been touched in years and are completely op, axis has better indirect across the board, heavies are almost always useless at this point.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 16:35 PMZombiFrancis

I think it's rather indicative that a reduction in received damage from the p4 command aura is equivalent to a 5th member.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2018, 15:53 PMSully

My thoughts on 2v2 balance since the latest patch:

USF

• Jackson is over-performing, especially coupled with popcap manipulation allowing them to be spammed.
  
• Indirect fire options are very strong compared to OKW, Ost can keep up for the most part.
  
• Infantry is in a good spot.
  

Brits

• Double bren Tommies are overperforming, they should be limited to one LMG.
  
• Indirect fire options are lacking now that the mortar pit has been nerfed into the ground.
  
• Lack of vehicle snare can be really painful.
  
• Firefly feels very balanced compared to the Jackson.
  

Soviets

• All openers (Cons/T1/T2) are very strong. Sniper being OP on most maps.
  
• Katyusha is way too effective at long range. It can safely get wipes and vets up very quickly.
  
• SU76 is over-performing. Its range/pen need to go down, and the barrage needs to cost munitions.
  
• SU85 is a monster with vet, possibly over-performing.
  
• PPSH cons are too cost-effective, leaving Shocks with no place in the game.
  
• Guards are back to being the jack of all trades elite inf. The buff to PTRS damage vs infantry was completely unnecessary.
  

Ost

• Mortar is over-performing, especially vs Brits early game.
  
• Grens are incredibly fragile mid/late game; I'd love to see a 5th man either via vet like REs or via upgrade like Brits.
  
• 222 is a joke unit that really needs some love vs snipers especially.
  
• Panther is in an awkward spot. Is it a TD, or is it a brawler? Pick one and give it the same treatment that its allied counterparts get.
  

OKW

• Good aggressive early game.
  
• Vet system needs an overhaul, right now it's inconsistent and often detrimental. Make vet levels 1-3 equal in strength and attainability to other factions and levels 4 & 5 unlock abilities across the board.
  
• Popcap numbers need to be brought down on a lot of units now that they're not nearly as strong; vehicles mostly.
  
• Struggles vs both maxim and sniper openers from Soviets.
  
• Same Panther issues as Ost.