British infantry sections
25 Feb 2018, 23:00 PM
#41
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Pretty much all balance problems were facing now are because of super soldaten volks in one way or another
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26 Feb 2018, 00:35 AM
#42
Posts: 911
let's make volks cant get stg44. cuz they are 5 men squad. do you agree?
Yeah because stgs are as powerful as Brens /s
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26 Feb 2018, 02:04 AM
#43
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STG44 are not lmgs.
On the the other hand imo they are pretty badly designed (the version Volks use) and part of the reason why Conscripts where buffed creating even more problems.
Eh its a straight up steroid at all ranges, which basically means you can't make the upgrade that exceedingly impactful because it wouldn't have weakness to exploit while also being super mediocre because it just does meh dps at all ranges when compared to other upgrades.
Id honestly prefer g43s with an open weapon slot but then people complain that they are better grens.
bg /l
26 Feb 2018, 02:28 AM
#44
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Id honestly prefer g43s with an open weapon slot but then people complain that they are better grens.
the volks' current stg44 is almost identical to the g43 on the wehr grenadier. The volks are not using the stg44 on the pzgren
26 Feb 2018, 04:46 AM
#45
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the volks' current stg44 is almost identical to the g43 on the wehr grenadier. The volks are not using the stg44 on the pzgren
Oof this is what happens when you don't look at stats.
I guess that means I just want an open weapon slot.
bg /l
26 Feb 2018, 07:24 AM
#46
Posts: 2243
BTW, has anyone ever tried commandos with 2 Brens? They're amazing! Dunno if this was mentioned before of if it is common knowledge.
they are not amazing..they are OP
26 Feb 2018, 07:27 AM
#47
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AND BTW:
STop this double equipable 200mp units ...it is really to strong to have a very good AT unit...for only 200mp!
400mp and you can deniy most armor....bring back skill..and no silly easy-cheese
STop this double equipable 200mp units ...it is really to strong to have a very good AT unit...for only 200mp!
400mp and you can deniy most armor....bring back skill..and no silly easy-cheese
26 Feb 2018, 14:51 PM
#48
Posts: 249
they are not amazing..they are OP
They deserve to be OP because they cost 500 mp and 120 munitions, and only have 2 models with the bren and the other 3 with VERY sh!tty stens.
26 Feb 2018, 15:06 PM
#49
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They deserve to be OP because they cost 500 mp and 120 munitions, and only have 2 models with the bren and the other 3 with VERY sh!tty stens.
You are aware that Stens are around x143% better than assault grenadier MP40 and better than shock troops PPsh?
I am not sure how you come to the conclusion that stens are "VERY sh!tty"
You are also aware that commando do not cost 500 manpower?
26 Feb 2018, 16:49 PM
#50
Posts: 249
You are aware that Stens are around x143% better than assault grenadier MP40 and better than shock troops PPsh?
I am not sure how you come to the conclusion that stens are "VERY sh!tty"
You are also aware that commando do not cost 500 manpower?
Stens being better than the MP40 is an MP40 issue, not a sten issue.
They are sh!tty because i have to get 2 brens meant for long dps for a squad that is mainly focused on close dps.
The ability to drop the 5- man squad with the glider costs 500 mp, surely not everything is used on the commando's but definetly a large part.
26 Feb 2018, 18:52 PM
#51
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Stens being better than the MP40 is an MP40 issue, not a sten issue.
They are sh!tty because i have to get 2 brens meant for long dps for a squad that is mainly focused on close dps.
The ability to drop the 5- man squad with the glider costs 500 mp, surely not everything is used on the commando's but definetly a large part.
You do not have to get brens, you have the option to trade DPS in ranges beyond 11 for DPS in ranges bellow.
The Sten actually good (default) smgs and the unit in borderline OP.
Commandos do not cost 500 manpower thou, thye are actually extremely cost effective:
"Infiltration Commandos
Cost from 440 to 370
Now spawns at 3 men; can reinforce to 5
Commando Glider
The glider is being made cheaper to deploy and will now allow the player to be aggressive when using Commando Regiment through its ability to reinforce infantry anywhere on the field.
Cost from 500 to 390
CP requirement from 4 to 3"
26 Feb 2018, 21:47 PM
#52
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They deserve to be OP because they cost 500 mp and 120 munitions, and only have 2 models with the bren and the other 3 with VERY sh!tty stens.
fully-teched IS 2x Bren : 708 manpower, 60 fuel, 170 munitions (7 pop).
For that price, you can get ~ 3x Gren squads with 1x LMG42 upgrade each.
AND Brits still don't have AT- Germans have 3x LMG and 3x AT
- And Grenadier have Bunker building capability!
- And self-heal!
Who wins vs 1x British Squad and 3x Grenadier Squads?
People complain the Soviets are useless.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
26 Feb 2018, 23:09 PM
#53
Posts: 911
They deserve to be OP because they cost 500 mp and 120 munitions, and only have 2 models with the bren and the other 3 with VERY sh!tty stens.
Isn't 500 the combined cost of their actual cost value plus their deploy anywhere mechanic?
And if cost justifies OP ness, why are expensive obers perform only slightly better than Bren IS?
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26 Feb 2018, 23:21 PM
#54
Posts: 911
fully-teched IS 2x Bren : 708 manpower, 60 fuel, 170 munitions (7 pop).
For that price, you can get ~ 3x Gren squads with 1x LMG42 upgrade each.
AND Brits still don't have AT- Germans have 3x LMG and 3x AT
- And Grenadier have Bunker building capability!
- And self-heal!
Who wins vs 1x British Squad and 3x Grenadier Squads?
Don't be misleading, for one you're conviently ignoring tech costs, med bunker for grens, higher UKF starting fuel (iirc), t0 vs t1, and lower overall tech costs for UKF
Futhermore you are being misleading when it comes to selecting one IS. Of course in that situation the upgrade costs seem extreme. But then you look at 3 or 4 IS and the discrepancy lowers. And this doesn't mention the sheer utility and survivability of having 5 men.
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27 Feb 2018, 06:43 AM
#55
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fully-teched IS 2x Bren : 708 manpower, 60 fuel, 170 munitions (7 pop).
For that price, you can get ~ 3x Gren squads with 1x LMG42 upgrade each.
AND Brits still don't have AT- Germans have 3x LMG and 3x AT
- And Grenadier have Bunker building capability!
- And self-heal!
Who wins vs 1x British Squad and 3x Grenadier Squads?
WTF?
you sum all upgrade and tech cost togehter for one IS squad? and cry its expansive?
did you ever played brits, tech all IS upgrades and build only one single SQUAD? WTF?
can it be that you must calc the cost for all 4-5 squads you build?
27 Feb 2018, 08:00 AM
#56
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fully-teched IS 2x Bren : 708 manpower, 60 fuel, 170 munitions (7 pop).
For that price, you can get ~ 3x Gren squads with 1x LMG42 upgrade each.
AND Brits still don't have AT- Germans have 3x LMG and 3x AT
- And Grenadier have Bunker building capability!
- And self-heal!
Who wins vs 1x British Squad and 3x Grenadier Squads?
A conscript squad fully upgraded also costs a whopping 695 manpower, 35 fuel and 40 munitions, for that price wehr can get 2 grenadiers with one g43 package and a scout car to top it off or 2 obersoldaten squads for OKW.
So who would win, one soviety boi with global upgrades or one quarter of the axis army with free teching costs?
27 Feb 2018, 08:04 AM
#57
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Pretty much all balance problems were facing now are because of super soldaten volks in one way or another
Sadly it is true, Allied main infantry power creep is for a big part due to Volks being equally strong with STG44.
Imo I see two design issues.
1- Gren, while being 4men squad 240mp cost outclass USF and Brit main infantry 280mp the moment the get their LMG. RM and IS must dual equip their LMGs to get back their advantage.
2- Volks, while being supposedly cheap backbone infantry for SP, Obers and any doctrinal infantry OKW have access, are incredibly durable and effective when they equip their STG + flamnade.
27 Feb 2018, 08:12 AM
#58
Posts: 170 | Subs: 1
They deserve to be OP because they cost 500 mp and 120 munitions, and only have 2 models with the bren and the other 3 with VERY sh!tty stens.
So are you implying that if you pump half of your economy into a single unit it deserves to overperform
In that case i would like to start a petition to bring back the old WFA launch Jagdtiger so i could snipe tanks from 85 range through terrain. I paid for it after all.
27 Feb 2018, 09:26 AM
#59
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fully-teched IS 2x Bren : 708 manpower, 60 fuel, 170 munitions (7 pop).
For that price, you can get ~ 3x Gren squads with 1x LMG42 upgrade each.
AND Brits still don't have AT- Germans have 3x LMG and 3x AT
- And Grenadier have Bunker building capability!
- And self-heal!
Who wins vs 1x British Squad and 3x Grenadier Squads?
A full tech grenadier with heal costs:
80/0/10(T1)+240 (Grenadier)+100/40 (BP1)+0/60/0 (LMG)+150/60/0 (Bunker) = 570/120/50
so no for the same price you can not get what you describe.
27 Feb 2018, 09:36 AM
#60
Posts: 2243
A full tech grenadier with heal costs:
80/0/10(T1)+240 (Grenadier)+100/40 (BP1)+0/60/0 (LMG)+150/60/0 (Bunker) = 570/120/50
so no for the same price you can not get what you describe.
and now we see USF has the cheapest infantery^^
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