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So a group of us have been working for some time with Relic and here's what we have so far which is now released as a mod on Steam!

Notes Here:

https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/243341/winter-balance-preview-patch-notes

Feedback Thread:

https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/243342/winter-balance-preview-mod-feedback

Mod Location:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=805715284

Post Replays Here:

https://www.coh2.org/topic/57715/winter-balance-preview-replays

OVERVIEW

This balance mod has been created as a collaboration between community members and balance modders, GGTheMachine, Mr Smith, and Miragefla. The scope of this patch has been focused to a subset of priority balance concerns sourced from community feedback and balance data. These concern areas include Light Tanks/Vehicles, Squad Formations & Clumping, USF Mortar, Penals & Guards, and Wehrmacht Infantry Scaling. Through addressing potential issues in these areas, we hope to mitigate dominant meta and increase strategic diversity. For more detailed insight behind these changes, read our Winter Balance Preview blog post.

To playtest these changes, subscribe to Relic's Winter Balance Preview Mod now on the Steam Workshop.

GENERAL

Squad formations and Clumping (INFANTRY SCALING)

Unfortunately, there is a disparity in how squads are assigned formations which is impacting performance and game balance. The address this problem we have implemented the following changes:

Give all squad members a roughly equal breathing space, regardless of the size of the squad (be it 2 members or 6 members)
Prevent unwanted clumping when given two opposing orders in quick succession (e.g., forward & backwards to avoid an AoE projectile).
Allow stealth-oriented squads to better utilize crater wherever available, without breaking their formation, but without clumping too much either
Change unwanted reaction behaviour which would cause squads to break formation and put them unnecessarily into danger.
Reinforcement Half Tracks/Transports (INFANTRY SCALING/LIGHT VEHICLES)

We wanted to make using these units less frustrating as a reinforcement platform and more reliable in order to better supplement Wehrmacht field presence.

Reinforcement Half-tracks now have shared veterancy from infantry squads.
Load Times for all Half-tracks standardized to 2.
Given a handbrake ability to prevent unwanted movement
251 Half-track can now carry mortar teams
Snipers (LIGHT VEHICLES)

We feel that the Sniperâs cloak ability is overperforming, making them extremely difficult to counter with infantry. To address this issues we have made the following changes:

When firing a shot or using an offensive ability when not camouflaged, the unit will be unable to return to camouflage for 10 seconds
Snipers cannot cloak until out of combat for 3 seconds
Stealth Changes (GENERAL)

To bring other stealth units in line with the cloaking changes made to Snipers, we have applied the following re-cloaking restrictions:

Anti-tank gun/Tank stealth changes

Tanks (e.g., JP4) and anti-tank guns cannot re-cloak until out of combat for 5.5 seconds
Neither type of unit can re-cloak within 10 seconds of having fired a shot
Non-sniper stealth infantry changes

Stealth (infiltration) infantry cannot re-cloak until out of combat for 4 seconds
Stealth infantry cannot re-cloak within 10 seconds of having used an offensive ability (e.g, grenades)
Mortars (GENERAL)

In a recent patch, all mortars received a +33% range bonus to their auto attack at Vet 3 as where previously it was only on the barrage abilities. This escalation of mortar power made them over perform compared to other types of more costly artillery pieces that had not received this bonus such as Pack Howitzers and Mortar Half-tracks.

Vet 3 no longer grants range increase to auto attacks.
Puma (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The Puma is receiving a damage reduction against infantry on the main gun to solidify its role as a strong vehicle hunter and soft counter to medium tanks.

Main gun near AOE damage reduced from 1 to 0.33
Scatter profile changes (to improve accuracy vs vehicles)
MG incremental MG accuracy removed

SOVIETS

Penals (INFANTRY SCALING)

The combination of Penals equipped with flamethrowers, accuracy bonuses with their veterancy, and their long range Damage Per Second (DPS) of the Penal Rifles, Penal Battalions have become a dominate meta in Soviet play. Therefore, we are removing the Flamer upgrade, toning their vet 3 accuracy bonus, and upping their popcap to keep their scaling in line with other infantry.

Flamer upgrade removed
Vet 3 accuracy bonus reduced from 1.3 to 1.15
Population cost increased from 7 to 8
Veterancy requirements increased from 540/1080/2160 to 640/1280/2560
Guards (INFANTRY SCALING)

Guards were proving to overperform in ratio to their cost, appearing to supplement any strategy, thus, limiting variation in Soviet commanders.

Manpower cost increased from 330 to 360
PTRS damage vs infantry lowered from 27 to 20 (AT damage remains 40)
RGD-33 Fragmentation Grenade (Affects Partisans, but not Shocks)
AOE far damage reduced from 0.5 to 0.25 (Same as MK2)
Ready aim time increased from 0.125 to 0.625 (to match MK2 overall delay)
Munitions cost reduced from 45 to 35
Veterancy

Vet 2 accuracy bonus reduced from 1.3 to 1.14
Vet 2 received accuracy bonus decreased from 0.83 to 0.88
Vet 3 now grants a further 1.14 accuracy (1.3 total)
Vet 3 now received accuracy bonus increased from 0.77 to 0.75, total received accuracy at vet 3 has been nerfed from 0.6391 to 0.66.
M5 Half-Track (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The M5 itself has been lowered in manpower cost to better match its value.

Manpower cost reduced from 270 to 250
M17 Quad (LIGHT VEHICLES)

We wanted to tone down the performance of the Quad to be in-line with Light Tanks and other suppression platforms. In order to make infantry counters to this unit viable, the M17 can no longer suppress enemy squads on the move.

Moving Burst reduced from 1 to 0.5
Moving accuracy reduced from 0.4 to 0.25
Near rate of fire reduced from 1.24 to 1.15
Accuracy reduced from 0.5/0.3125/0.125 to 0.34/0.28/0.1
Near Cooldown modifier increased from 0.5 to 0.75
Cannot suppress units while moving.
Increased the chance for the Quad to take down an airplane (from 30 in 10000 to 30 in 100)
T-70 (LIGHT VEHICLES)

We feel that the T-70âs high damage and AOE allowed it to wipe infantry too effectively, particularly if they are clumped in cover.

Manpower cost increased from 200 to 260
AoE damage reduced from 1/0.35/0.05 to 0.65/0.35/0.15
Scatter Max increased from 1.7 to 2.5
Health increased from 320 to 400
Crew repair removed
SU-76 (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The SU-76 barrage was weak but became problematic when multiple SU-76âs were on the field as simultaneous barrages could reliably dislodge support weapons and AT guns.
Barrage now costs 15 munitions

WEHRMACHT

Medkits (INFANTRY SCALING)

To give Wehrmacht more staying power on the field, Medkits will now fully heal up a squad.

Medkits duration increased from 10 to 20
Pioneers (INFANTRY SCALING)

We felt that pioneer damage output was under performing and proving ineffective in combat.

Near accuracy increased from 0.403 to 0.463
Mid accuracy increased from 0.23 to 0.27
Population reduced from 6 to 5
Assault Grenadiers (INFANTRY SCALING)

Whilst they have an initial impact, their damage fall off, manpower bleed, grenades and veterancy scaling made them not scale well or a viable choice in the late game. Therefore, to improve their scaling, we have made the following changes:

Reinforce cost lowered from 28 to 26
Grenade Assault munitions cost lowered from 45 to 30.
Grenade Assault aim-time and ready-aim time reduced by half to allow faster throwing.
Squad leader armour reduced from 1.5 to 1.
Medical kits removed.
Veterancy 1 now Grants -10% received accuracy and reduces recharge on sprint by 25%.
Panzer Grenadiers (INFANTRY SCALING)

Panzer Grenadiers are a strong unit but their timing means other factions already have veterancy on their infantry making it difficult for PGs to gain their own veterancy in a timely manner.

Vet 1 now grants 0.84 received accuracy bonus
Vet 2 received accuracy bonus reduced from 0.71 to 0.84 (~0.71 total)
G43 Package (Also affects Stormtroopers but not Grenadiers)

Far aim time multiplayer reduced from 3.5 to 3. (Boosts long range DPS)
Now increases sight range by 20%
222 Scout Car (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The 222 also wasnât scaling with veterancy as well as other light vehicles and suffered from inconsistent damage output preventing it from tracking infantry properly. We also felt that the auto-cannon was too reliant on AOE for damage.

Manpower cost increased from from 210 to 250
Fuel cost increased from 15 to 30
Veterancy requirements increased from 480/960/1920 to 720/1440/2880
Acceleration increased from 2.4 to 3
Spotting Scopes Sight bonus reduced from 2 to 1.4
20mm Autocannon

Accuracy changes from 0.06/0.04/0.02 to 0.05/0.04/0.03
Autocannon Rate of fire multiplier from 1.4/1.2/1 to 1
Autocannon penetration increased from 35 to 40
Mid range distance from 15 to 20
Autocannon AOE Near damage reduced from 1 to 0.6
Coaxial MG42

MG42 now properly tracks infantry
Accuracy reduced from 0.6/0.425/0.25 to 0.4/0.35/0.25
Accuracy increases with veterancy: +10%/+15%/+15%
Range distance near from 10 to 0
0.75 Accuracy modifier versus Snipers (down from 1.5).
Note that, even though, it may appear that we are heavily reducing the MGâs damage output, however, the MG was never able to fire in the first place, due to a MG tracking bug.
Stug E (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The Stug E was proving to be overly effective for its cost, especially as a call-in tank that could bypass tech requirements. Furthermore, Target Weak Point allowed the Stug E to have strong anti tank utility even though it's primarily an anti-infantry vehicle.

Manpower cost increased from 200 to 260
Health reduced from 540 to 480 (Now Destroyed in 3 ATG shots)
AOE distance reduced from 1/1.5/2.25 to 0.5/1/2
AOE damage reduced from 1/0.15/0.05 to 0.75/0.35/0.15
Radius from 3 to 3.5
Scatter Max increased from 2.15 to 2.5
Scatter Angle increased from 5 to 5.5
Scatter offset turned to 0.
Projectile no longer collides with terrain, can still collide with objects
Target Weak Point

Target Weak Point now only disables turret rotation
Damage reduced from 80 to 40
Always penetrates
Puma (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The Puma serves the role of a anti-vehicle and soft counter to tanks, however, the Target Weak Pointâs ability to stun tanks made it over perform for its cost and mobility.
Target Weak Point
* Target Weak Point now only disables turret rotation
* Damage reduced from 120 to 60
* Always penetrates

USF

M1919 Light Machine Guns (INFANTRY SCALING)

The ability to equip two M1919 LMGâs on a squad was resulting in over performing long range DPS for a squad as durable as Riflemen or as cheap as Rear Echelon.

Can no longer be double equipped via weapon racks.
81mm Mortar (INFANTRY SCALING)

The USF Mortarâs barrage, rate of fire and veterancy bonuses have been causing this unit to overperform in most engagements. Furthermore, it has overshadowed the more expensive pack howitzer, lacking only range on its barrage until the pack howitzer hits veterancy 2.

Range reduced from 80 to 65
Set-up duration decreased from 1 to 0.5
Vet 1 increases smoke barrage range to 80
Fixed a bug where smoke barrage wasnât firing
Vehicle Crews (LIGHT VEHICLES)

Critical repair allowed USF vehicles to escape too easily after getting caught by a Panzerfaust or hitting a mine.

Veterancy requirements increased from 200/400/800 to 650/1300/2800
Critical Repair
Munitions cost increased from 10 to 25
*Delay increased from 0 seconds to 4 seconds.
M20 (LIGHT VEHICLES)

We wanted to make the M20 more accessible but also make its interaction with the 222 more consistent while lower its close range damage to limit its effectiveness at diving after support weapons and infantry on retreat. We also felt that the M20 vets up too slowly and without enough bonuses.

Manpower cost reduced from 340 to 240
Crew no longer start with Bazooka, it now must be upgraded
Veterancy requirements lowered from 880/1760/3520 to 500/1000/2000
50cal accuracy reduced from 0.75/0.475/0.2 to 0.45/0.33/0.25
50cal accuracy increases with veterancy: +10%/+15%/+15%
Stuart (LIGHT VEHICLES)

We felt that the Stuart was overperforming in its role as an anti-infantry unit and as a strong vehicle hutner. Furthermore, its stun rounds allowed it to hunt down light vehicles that were designed to counter it.

Manpower cost increased from 240 to 270
Main gun damage vs infantry set to -25%
MG Accuracy from 0.6/0.45/0.25 to 0.4/0.3/0.16667 (Hull & Coaxial)
MG Incremental accuracy from 1.04 to 1 (Hull & Coaxial).
Stun rounds only disables weapons and sight. Does not affect movement.
M15 AA Half Track (LIGHT VEHICLES)

Due to the changes made to the Stuart , the M15 needed to be brought in line to prevent it from becoming the new dominant meta choice.

Manpower cost reduced from 350 to 310
Main gun damage vs infantry set to -50%
Veterancy 3 bonuses (accuracy/penetration) now apply to the main gun
M3 Half Track Call-In (LIGHT VEHICLES)

Given the timing, price and mode of operation of the M3 halftrack (reinforcement platform), we believe that the USF M3 halftrack performs more akin to other reinforcement halftracks, rather than the Soviet M3A1 halftrack.

Hitpoints from 200 to 320
Armour from 5.4 to 11
M5 Half Track Call-In (LIGHT VEHICLES)

We felt that this unit was arriving too early, especially compared to the Soviet equivalent.

Command Point requirements increased from 3 to 4
Manpower from 350 to 300.

OKW

Sturmpioneer (LIGHT VEHICLES/STRATEGIC DIVERSITY)
We felt that the risk vs reward for the Mechanised HQ as a tech choice was too high due it not offering any type of healing.

Medical Supplies available at Vet 0
Medical Supplies munitions Cost reduced from 40 to 20
50% of the vet 3 construction bonus moved to vet 1
251 Flak Half Track (LIGHT VEHICLES)

Weâve found that the 251 Half-Track was underperforming in its role as an anti-infantry unit due to its immobility and vulnerability to vehicle rushes, lack of infantry support, and inability to counter some of OKWâs primary threats such as MG lockdown.
Received a significant bonus vs garrisons units.

Defensive Smoke no longer requires vet 1
Defensive Smoke munitions cost increased from 0 to 25
Vet 1 now reduces cost of Defensive Smoke from 25 to 10
Penetration increased from 20 to 30
Minimum Range Removed
Given handbrake ability to prevent accidental movement
The FlakHT now displays the max range of the weapon when selected
Panzer 2 Luchs (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The Panzer 2 is a powerful unit with high AI damage, though was still a risky build order due to the lack of healing that came with the Mechanised HQ tech choice.

Manpower cost reduced from 315 to 290
AoE damage reduced from 1/1/1 to 0.6/0.5/0.1
AoE distance reduced from 1/1/1 to 0.25/0.7/1
Accuracy reduced from 0.775/0.66/0.56 to 0.65/0.5/0.4
Vet2 accuracy reduced from 0.875/0.76/0.66 to 0.78/0.6/0.48
Moving accuracy increased from 0.25 to 0.3
Luchs MG incremental accuracy from 1.04 to 1.
2cm vs Garrisons

Garrison Damage Multiplier from 0.25 to 0.3
Garrison Accuracy Multiplier from 0.4 to 0.5
Puma (LIGHT VEHICLES)

Aimed shot was being used less for its utility and more for its guaranteed ability to wipe infantry on retreat.

Aimed shot can no longer target infantry

BRITISH

PIATâs (LIGHT VEHICLES)

We feel that PIATâs are a primary influencer to why the British are experiencing a disparity in the early and late game anti-tank capability. PIATâs also pose a problem between game modes, skill levels and maps due to the fact they must be manually and precisely aimed.

Gave PIAT homing projectile, if there is no obstruction between the PIAT and the target
PIATs have the same accuracy as bazookas for ranges between 0 and 30
Adjusted scatter offset, so that misses are centered around an immobile target
Range reduced from 45 to 30
Damage reduced from 120/80 (penetrating hit/deflected hit) to 100/25
Munitions cost increased from 40 to 50
Fire-aim time reduced from 2.4 to 0.625 (reduces delay to fire)
Cooldown increased from 0 to 1.775 (Keeps rate of the fire the same despite fire-aim time.)
Reduced scatter, so that PIATs in indirect-fire mode are unreliable (especially when the user is suppressed)
Universal carrier (LIGHT VEHICLES)

Given the Universal Carrierâs low health, we felt that the damage of the WASP was too low for it to effectively dislodge exposed or garrisoned HMG teams, making British too reliant on the Mortar Pit and Sniper.
WASP
* Munitions cost reduced from 90 to 60
* WASP flame burst duration increased from 2 to 3
* WASP Cooldown from 2/3 to 3/4
* Damage versus Garrisons from 1.25 to 1
* Aim time increased to match 251
* Moving Accuracy from 0.5 to 1
* Flame can now fire over obstacles
* WASP DoT Radius from 5 to 3.
* Fire Aim Time from 0.125 to 1.375
* Ready-Aim Time from 0.375/0.625 to 0.375/0.375

AEC (LIGHT VEHICLES)

The AECâs anti-infantry damage was too potent for a vehicle with so much anti-tank capability, yet its main gun was very inconsistent due to its large scatter. The AEC also suffered from extremely low armour causing it to be destroyed by S Mines and HMG teams too easily.

Armour increased from 40 to 55
Angle scatter reduced from 7.5 to 6
Max scatter increased from 1.7 to 6.5
Main gun AoE reduced from 1/0.25/0.1 to 0.33/0.15/0.05
Machine gun accuracy reduced from 0.7/0.6/0.46 to 0.48/0.47/0.46
MG incremental accuracy reduced from 1.04 to 1
Medium crush replaced with light crush
Treadbreaker

Added a projectile
Scatter changed to match main gun
Cone of fire increased from 5 to 10
Stationary accuracy increased by 20% from the main gun
Duration reduced 20 to 7

Bug Fixes

Fixed an issue with certain squads breaking formation and leaving cover involuntarily (Sappers, Commandos, Officer).

Fixed an issue with players being able to double-buy certain upgrades using macro-based cheats.

Fixed an issue where several Off-map abilities (mostly belonging to Soviets, OST, OKW) could still be targeted in the base sector
Fixed an issue where Paratrooper models had 1.5 popcap, as opposed to the intended 1 popcap per model.
Fixed an issue where Paratroopers would receive an involuntary move command when reinforcing near a beacon.
Fixed an issue where the USF Mechanized M3 halftrack would display an incorrect healthbar when captured.
Fixed an issue where recrewed M8 Scotts would lose access to their auto-attack when decrewed when âHold Fireâ was active
Fixed an issue where the Sherman Bulldozer âHold Fireâ ability was not applying correctly to the gun.
Fixed an issue where static Howitzers (e.g., B4, ML-20, LeFH) would sometimes become temporarily unresponsive when given consecutive direction-facing commands.
Fixed an issue where the UKF âCommand Vehicleâ ability would become permanently unavailable when the previous vehicle would become abandoned.
Fixed an issue with UKF infantry gaining access to the wrong version of their intended Bren gun, when picking up a Bren gun from the ground.
Fixed an issue with Anvil âEarly Warningâ not giving sight over captured territory. Note that the scope of the ability has been restricted: the only territory points that the player gains access to are those that the player captured themselves (i.e., not allied-captured territory), just like the similar OKW Overwatch commander ability
Fixed an issue where Commando Ambush bonuses would apply inconsistently (sometimes none at all, other times permanently). The reworked Ambush requires commandos to be out-of-combat for 25 seconds, for 5 seconds of sprint & +50% accuracy on their Sten guns.
Fixed an issue where the second mortar belonging to the mortar pit would deal reduced damage while barraging.
Fixed an issue where the AEC would crush wall segments when driven next to them.
Fixed an issue where the damage Sexton Creeping Barrage had not been increased to match the AoE damage of the normal barrage ability.
Fixed an issue where Recovery Sappers would still apply their Vet1 Cover Bonuses to picked up weapons. Now, the ability correctly only applies to Sapper Sten guns only.
Fixed an issue where USF/UKF medic squads would, sometimes, stop healing nearby wounded troops.
Fixed an issue where Luchs Hold Fire would not prevent the MG from opening fire.
Fixed an issue where UKF HEAT anti-tank grenades would, sometimes, fail to apply their snare.
Fixed an issue where the USF mortar would become unresponsive when ordered to fire its smoke rounds
Fixed an issue where Snipers would avoid engaging infantry units when the Sniper was cloaked without âhold fireâ on.
Fixed an issue with the G43 package interrogation ability that would not reveal all enemy units in a sufficiently-large map.
Fixed an issue where the AoE of the Brummbar âBunker Busterâ ability was lower than that of the main gun of the Brummbar.
Stormtrooper detection ability reverted to Vehicle Detection to fit the unitâs role
Fixed an issue where Tank Hunter Infantry Sections would not suffer from reduced range to their âHeavy Gammon Bombâ throw ability.
Fixed an issue where Raketenwerfer/Soviet AT guns crews would open fire and break stealth (thus ruin ambushes)
Fixed an issue where the M1 57mm gun would not benefit from Soviet AT ambush tactics.
The Raketenwerfer can now pick up medical supply drops from Sturmpioneers

Quality of Life Changes

We have made improvements to all Squad formations in the game

Prioritise Vehicle now only affects the main gun of the affected tank, but not the MGs. Thus, vehicles with the Prioritise Vehicles ability active will continue to engage infantry with their MGs.

Base medics (OKW/Soviet/OST) will no longer chase after retreating units.
Troop transports are given the âHandbrakeâ ability. This ability disables the unit from moving or rotating to make the following tasks easier: (i) loading/unloading troops (ii) setting up as a forward reinforcement point.
Infantry units can target their snares at de-crewed/abandoned vehicles.
Luchs is given access to the Prioritise Vehicles ability.
AVRE given a âHold Fireâ command to make the bombard ability more responsive.
Commandos given a UI indication while the bonuses of Ambush are active.
USF/UKF Medics are given an auto-heal toggle. This way, the player can control whether they wish these medics to go after wounded units or not (e.g., to avoid putting the medics in danger)
USF/UKF Medics will not chase after moving squads, to avoid unwanted long chases.
Anti-infantry partisans no longer display the PPSh icon, to help the player identify any picked-up weapons.
Due to interference with UKF teching, it will be no longer possible to call Gliders or Air Resupply operation in the base sector
Elite Doctrine Stormtroopers can upgrade G43âs in enemy territory

Be sure to post replays of the mod so they can be casted!

25 Nov 2016, 20:46 PMTheMachine

Just please bare in mind that since this patch was under official direction of Relic we were very limited and only able go make changes along the specific scopes of Light Tanks/Vehicles, Squad Formations & Clumping, USF Mortar, Penals & Guards, and Wehrmacht Infantry Scaling. So please leave feedback to specifically those changes and not about all the other priority issues that need changing too.

Yes there's so many more issues that need fixing, and this patch will have some consequences of its own, but it's certainly a huge step forward. If this patch goes well as all is smooth, we might be able to do more of these down the line.

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Most of the changes are really good. Penals got a insane amount of nerf that surely wasn't needed. They needed it, but not this much. Pz4 +10/20 penetration would make it better vs tanks, most tanks are just shitting on it. Mainly the OP Cromwell, which is cheaper and better.

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Honestly, dunno. It is great that they nerfed ptrc damage but why they increased guards cost? Penals are nerfed - good, flamethrower was too op, but why they nerfed thier rifels? Why they touched sniper invisability, but didnt nerf pupchen and other shit? Mortar and stuart nerfs - good, but why they nerfed m20? It was okay. Pioneer damade buff? What? Why? It is better to nerf thier cost. Aek nerf? Why? There are a lot of disputable changes which needs to be tested

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Oh they touched pupchen invisability. Okay, thats great.

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I wish that the Stuka strike was disabled in enemy base. Otherwise, good changes

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TL;DR Thanks

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-50% damage reduction on the m15s gun seems like a bit much. I'll have to test it, but for such a fragile unit it seems like it would make it far too weak, and it was already a risky choice. The nerf to the m20s guns also seems kind of unnecessary.

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LUL really nerf soviet mortars like all another with his reload time ?

About quad, he have poor start speed, so its stats looks not good for him. Really i can undestand why its get nerf, its not quad from summer 2014, lose him now are more easy.
Really, ostheer pio buff ? What about soviet pio ? Just whanna look to eyes person who think, that ostheer pio are weak, but soviet pio are fine OpieOP.
@The AEC also suffered from extremely low armour causing it to be destroyed by S Mines and HMG teams too easily.@ Realy ? What you can say about t-70 that have lower numbers and die faster then AEK from S mines and MG lazers ?
So fusi popcap are fine ?
No changes for scope in 222 when you can see 2/3 of map ?
No changes for OKW flayers from com panther doc ?
At least nerf 1919 and penals.
No lolotovs buff ?
At least buff maxims

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6/10 for patch.
So double BRENS are legal, double BARS are legal.
Hope t-70 autorepeir from docs work fine in bug world

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What the old logic, nerf unit and nerf his price like with guards ? Is it hard make somthing one ?

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Yes, yes, yes and a big yes.

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All the bugfixes, utility changes and general no-brainer stuff are excellent, well done. Most balance changes also look great, hopefully the mod gets tested enough and they are fine-tuned if necessary.

Overall, great work, much appreciated!

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25 Nov 2016, 20:12 PMJohnSmith

I wish that the Stuka strike was disabled in enemy base. Otherwise, good changes

It actually is disabled. You didn't read the bugfix section:

Fixed an issue where several Off-map abilities (mostly belonging to Soviets, OST, OKW) could still be targeted in the base sector

You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

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25 Nov 2016, 20:24 PMMr.Smith

It actually is disabled. You didn't read the bugfix section:

Oh, that is brilliant. I didn't know that stuka on the base was considered as a bug.

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Kinda feel like not buffing the Raketen's aim time is a very important thing that's missing, but otherwise, exxxxxxxxxxcellent.

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I actually think this is a pretty crummy patch. Some of these nerfs are questionable, but I think a lot are good too.

The worse thing to me though is that almost no underused units or abilities were buffed. only the thing that was buffed was the M3 call-in, but no one is going to use that because assault engis still suck.

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I agree with most changes.

Less so with the guards and penals accuracy nerfs. The late game infantry combat already favors the Axis side and this will further tip the scales.

The OKW and Brits to some extent have a powercreep issue around their heavier tanks that hasn't been addressed. There's just no reason not to ever get a KT or Comets late game and no real way to adapt to counter them (on most maps).

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25 Nov 2016, 20:22 PMvasa1719

LUL really nerf soviet mortars like all another with his reload time ?
About quad, he have poor start speed, so its stats looks not good for him. Really i can undestand why its get nerf, its not quad from summer 2014, lose him now are more easy.
Really, ostheer pio buff ? What about soviet pio ? Just whanna look to eyes person who think, that ostheer pio are weak, but soviet pio are fine OpieOP.
@The AEC also suffered from extremely low armour causing it to be destroyed by S Mines and HMG teams too easily.@ Realy ? What you can say about t-70 that have lower numbers and die faster then AEK from S mines and MG lazers ?
So fusi popcap are fine ?
No changes for scope in 222 when you can see 2/3 of map ?
No changes for OKW flayers from com panther doc ?
At least nerf 1919 and penals.
No lolotovs buff ?
At least buff maxims .
6/10 for patch.
So double BRENS are legal, double BARS are legal.
Hope t-70 autorepeir from docs work fine in bug world .
What the old logic, nerf unit and nerf his price like with guards ? Is it hard make somthing one ?

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Rakketen a unit that already perform inconstant is weakened tremendously. It needs to be reworked.

1) fix the retreat circle
2) Increase range to 60 when in garrison
3) Reduce the time before shooting so it can not be circle strafed when in garrison without firing.
4) give 360 firing when in trench or bunker

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Wait, no more double 1919 from racks, but still double bren?

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1604
329
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GiantDwarf
547
277
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The Angry Dutchman
1075
592
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415
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vonLewinski
443
186
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蓝
235
115
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181
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919
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237
86
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756
383
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664
434
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Zirty Zoggy
124
26
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Falko_nero22
362
206
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FIelA
2604
1798
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170
66
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270
91
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1571
769
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405
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414
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218
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126
42
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322
182
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827
471
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317
137
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157
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397
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710
751
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402
216
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死者为大
386
136
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444
215
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SoE-Sturmpanther
907
246
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40
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604
318
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605
258
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206
87
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vonLewinski
598
198
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快乐滴风男
866
404
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1694
295
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602
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568
115
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332
171
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943
385
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641
273
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1280
688
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3238
1579
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222
120
.649
+2
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[虎贲] Leng Mo
309
131
.702
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332
148
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498
273
.646
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✠Kaiser✠ tushkan
442
219
.669
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229
73
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418
231
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175
90
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802
378
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masterx.
750
319
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160
73
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187
110
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1462
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itsjomal
112
33
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142
93
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HanSolo(FIN)
77
14
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467
350
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LATATA
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238
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209
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masterx.
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606
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420
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398
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320
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304
171
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543
419
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282
226
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126
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485
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685
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399
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702
209
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Zirty Zoggy
462
76
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264
134
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227
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120
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✠ Kaiser ✠
1678
1189
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-1
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DIRTY_FINISHER
1557
665
.701
-1
3.
✠Kaiser✠ tushkan
834
508
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718
361
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1367
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455
225
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2154
710
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Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
798
543
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黄色卫兵
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2135
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294
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736
316
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Charlie Kirk
96
31
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DesTo
557
316
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Lieutenant
396
266
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偂侽宥
909
642
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Artyom
260
74
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545
229
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363
206
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Richmond
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130
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660
261
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Rodinho
640
355
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1SAYE
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273
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Misaki
226
66
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[Dengue]™Alexandro
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390
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浦和小调
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325
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729
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351
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Tilly'edenan of the Spring
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869
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vonLewinski
458
159
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GiantDwarf
391
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GiantDwarf
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203
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ChadusRiflemen
287
86
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ker_141
398
148
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night_raven0203
3587
1758
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elpern
382
166
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480
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826
140
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ChadusRiflemen
476
195
.709
+4
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2697
1457
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-1
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Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
130
48
.730
-2
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MightBeTheMeowGamer
136
68
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☞ ps3YES ☜
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396
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1045
381
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Pioneer
191
101
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-1
8.
William H. Harrison
515
211
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Zirty Zoggy
93
26
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✠Kaiser✠ tushkan
88
42
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1088
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359
153
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13
.833
+1
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JOE
1244
753
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Sumi
351
303
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-2
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itsjomal
111
45
.712
+1
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125656923
276
199
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쿨게이
247
125
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+12
9.
Pedro.
417
286
.593
+3
10.
Irrelephant
146
82
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                        1.
godjaemin
395
284
.582
+5
2.
卡提希娅高手
894
743
.546
+1
3.
浦和小调
407
260
.610
+1
4.
末逝
362
234
.607
+4
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King of Lee
788
592
.571
+3
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Brown
174
75
.699
+2
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CNposition
330
217
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8.
TN.Lhunathix
957
670
.588
+4
9.
BATTLEDANNY1
519
352
.596
+1
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Shiranui Second XFJ-01a
432
330
.567
+1

                    

                        1.
джинь
596
82
.879
+10
2.
MoronPark_Cat YE
431
63
.872
+9
3.
Eisernes Kreuz
148
39
.791
+7
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Kumatsuhara Nyganomiyakishi
140
46
.753
-1
5.
오리야꽥꽥해
288
162
.640
+6
6.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
181
51
.780
+4
7.
miGOTE
389
260
.599
+3
8.
Bloop
142
65
.686
+10
9.
小鱼干
186
78
.705
+1
10.
Boomerwaffen
814
466
.636
+2

                    

                        1.
Aljosa - Ibuprofen  [BOBER]
286
169
.629
+2
2.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1704
928
.647
+4
3.
Burden
169
61
.735
+5
4.
CrossFire- JellyBelly
1003
300
.770
+5
5.
Zirty Zoggy
107
25
.811
+1
6.
Solmeer
173
72
.706
+3
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yox
63
21
.750
-1
8.
MightBeTheMeowGamer
121
42
.742
+1
9.
Sir Ducksworth
491
329
.599
-1
10.
【Clannad】
216
69
.758
+2

                    

                        1.
Thales
817
302
.730
-1
2.
Remder
636
186
.774
+6
3.
계엄령
1592
782
.671
-2
4.
BATTLEDANNY1
105
28
.789
+2
5.
Riiiiina
328
127
.721
+16
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★DEFEKTOJIOG★
120
51
.702
+1
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Ovidiu
1579
788
.667
+1
8.
SoE-Sturmpanther
369
62
.856
-1
9.
TaLa
274
168
.620
+2
10.
Califax
463
196
.703
-2

                    

                        1.
BeRyan
971
647
.600
+7
2.
卡提希娅高手
622
434
.589
+3
3.
死者为大
411
188
.686
+8
4.
ukill
267
193
.580
+1
5.
开图炸房死一户口本
141
60
.701
+2
6.
Starry sky
856
649
.569
+2
7.
King of Lee
452
331
.577
+2
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浦和小调
353
230
.605
+1
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689
773
.471
-1
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