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17 Apr 2016, 12:10 PM
#161
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Fact: UKF is the most OP faction in the game
17 Apr 2016, 13:00 PM
#162
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 12:10 PMHitman5
Fact: UKF is the most OP faction in the game


Fact: Charts are saying otherwise.
17 Apr 2016, 14:10 PM
#163
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The problem is not brace
The problem is free brace + high health pool
17 Apr 2016, 14:58 PM
#164
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 13:00 PMKatitof


Fact: Charts are saying otherwise.


the charts are not the be all end all
17 Apr 2016, 15:00 PM
#165
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Double Leig's are a decent counter, but if it's vs Cancer regiment forget it, their mortar pit will just counter barrage you, even tho you have more range. (even better at Vet 3)
17 Apr 2016, 15:59 PM
#166
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 10:31 AMRappy


That's nice. But then why do the UKF also have the best light vehicle in the game, the best medium tanks in the game and the most deadly and versatile offensive special forces in the game? Not to mention most close combat engineers. All these things are distinctly offensive characteristics.

In my opinion, Brits should indeed be focussed on defense, as they were supposedly designed. At the moment they are too much a master of all trades.


What the hell?

AEC is best light vehicle in game? Lel.
Cromwell is not best medium tank. It's most cost efficient.
What's wrong with engis? How they are offensive unit with they don't have any ability to close the distance?
17 Apr 2016, 16:10 PM
#167
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What the hell?

AEC is best light vehicle in game? Lel.
Cromwell is not best medium tank. It's most cost efficient.
What's wrong with engis? How they are offensive unit with they don't have any ability to close the distance?


I agree that AEC isn't the best light tank after the patch. T70 is.

However Cromwell IS the best tank in the game because it's the most cost efficient. When determining the best unit type in the game, cost is always a key factor. What do you think best medium tank is?

REs are the best engineer types imo. No that great used offensively unless they can flankbajd get close without being targeted and find some green cover.
17 Apr 2016, 16:19 PM
#168
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I agree that AEC isn't the best light tank after the patch. T70 is.

However Cromwell IS the best tank in the game because it's the most cost efficient. When determining the best unit type in the game, cost is always a key factor. What do you think best medium tank is?

REs are the best engineer types imo. No that great used offensively unless they can flankbajd get close without being targeted and find some green cover.


It's simple.

T34/85 or E8.

King Tiger is the best heavy tank in game but it may not have best cost efficient ratio, yet still the best. You look at armor, gun, speed etc and then you say if it is best medium or not. Cost has nothing to do with it. I mean, you could say that Osttruppens are the best infantry in game becasue they are most cost efficient.
17 Apr 2016, 16:26 PM
#169
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 14:58 PMHitman5


the charts are not the be all end all


And neither are UKF :romeoPro:
17 Apr 2016, 21:32 PM
#170
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What the hell?

AEC is best light vehicle in game? Lel.
Cromwell is not best medium tank. It's most cost efficient.
What's wrong with engis? How they are offensive unit with they don't have any ability to close the distance?


And what about the Comet? Better than the panther -free grenades lobbed out the cabin at vet3? All the Brit tanks crush better than axis tanks, which is an offensive tool.
AEC is close second to the T70 then. Axis light vehicles don't come close to the utility of it. Point is is that Brits have strongest defense and in many areas the strongest offensive force too. Seems a bit imbalanced.
17 Apr 2016, 21:45 PM
#171
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 21:32 PMRappy


And what about the Comet? Better than the panther -free grenades lobbed out the cabin at vet3? All the Brit tanks crush better than axis tanks, which is an offensive tool.
AEC is close second to the T70 then. Axis light vehicles don't come close to the utility of it. Point is is that Brits have strongest defense and in many areas the strongest offensive force too. Seems a bit imbalanced.


And meanwhile we have Ost crying in the corner because it's the worst at everything :guyokay:


And nobody cares at all :guyokay::guyokay::guyokay:
18 Apr 2016, 00:27 AM
#172
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 21:45 PMDomine


And meanwhile we have Ost crying in the corner because it's the worst at everything :guyokay:


And nobody cares at all :guyokay::guyokay::guyokay:


Ost is hard to play but it absolutely is not the worst at everything. With Ostheer, you have the best combined arms gameplay possible with the game's best MG, mortar, and AT gun. Combine this with the myriad doctrinal choices and well rounded armor force and you have a hard to micro, but high skill ceiling faction, that doesn't really lack anything non-doctrinaly.
18 Apr 2016, 07:33 AM
#173
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 21:32 PMRappy


And what about the Comet? Better than the panther -free grenades lobbed out the cabin at vet3? All the Brit tanks crush better than axis tanks, which is an offensive tool.
AEC is close second to the T70 then. Axis light vehicles don't come close to the utility of it. Point is is that Brits have strongest defense and in many areas the strongest offensive force too. Seems a bit imbalanced.


Better at what? Killing infantry? Yes. Destroying tanks? No.
AEC close to T70? :|
Yea, becasue Puma and Luchs are so weak light vehicles...
18 Apr 2016, 09:20 AM
#174
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Better at what? Killing infantry? Yes. Destroying tanks? No.


The Comet has a considerably higher damage output against tanks than the Panther.
18 Apr 2016, 19:00 PM
#175
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Apr 2016, 21:32 PMRappy


And what about the Comet? Better than the panther -free grenades lobbed out the cabin at vet3? All the Brit tanks crush better than axis tanks, which is an offensive tool.
AEC is close second to the T70 then. Axis light vehicles don't come close to the utility of it. Point is is that Brits have strongest defense and in many areas the strongest offensive force too. Seems a bit imbalanced.


Comet is not better than the panther AT wise panther is still faster and comets have a hard time penning the front of panthers. It is also more expensive and comes later. Also I really have hardly ever seen the free grenades lobbed out at vet 3 really make a huge difference. The white phosrous makes it good, its def a great tank AI wise with ok AT but later game I need to comet to be able to win shoot outs with panthers and they can't.

The command panther is by far the best it can spot for its self and at guns as well as doubling there dmg that thing is a bit op atm imo.

The luchs is the best AI light at vehicle in the game and usually comes out before the AEC and there is nothing wrong with the puma either.
18 Apr 2016, 19:49 PM
#176
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Ost is hard to play but it absolutely is not the worst at everything. With Ostheer, you have the best combined arms gameplay possible with the game's best MG, mortar, and AT gun. Combine this with the myriad doctrinal choices and well rounded armor force and you have a hard to micro, but high skill ceiling faction, that doesn't really lack anything non-doctrinaly.


Best AT gun? Ostheer? That award surely also goes to the Brits.
18 Apr 2016, 19:53 PM
#177
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 19:00 PMRocket


Comet is not better than the panther AT wise panther is still faster and comets have a hard time penning the front of panthers. It is also more expensive and comes later. Also I really have hardly ever seen the free grenades lobbed out at vet 3 really make a huge difference. The white phosrous makes it good, its def a great tank AI wise with ok AT but later game I need to comet to be able to win shoot outs with panthers and they can't.

The command panther is by far the best it can spot for its self and at guns as well as doubling there dmg that thing is a bit op atm imo.

The luchs is the best AI light at vehicle in the game and usually comes out before the AEC and there is nothing wrong with the puma either.


I'm not saying the axis light vehicles are bad. What I am saying is that the rationale for brits having super defense sim city with free laser forcefield tent is that they are a defensive faction (or supposed to be). However the truth is they are also badass in offense. So the rationale for sim city is weakened. AEC, Cromwell, Comet, Croc, Centaur..... the list goes on and on... amazing offensive shit that no other faction has access to in quite that level of efficiency. Yet it's deemed a defensive faction?
18 Apr 2016, 19:54 PM
#178
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 19:49 PMRappy


Best AT gun? Ostheer? That award surely also goes to the Brits.


Brit AT gun is a mirror of the Ostheer AT gun, the difference being that the Ostheer AT gun has Target Weak Point instead of rapid manouevers.
18 Apr 2016, 20:50 PM
#179
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 09:20 AMDomine


The Comet has a considerably higher damage output against tanks than the Panther.


In which mod?

Because on life, panther has higher accuracy, higher penetration and shoots only slightly slower.
18 Apr 2016, 21:34 PM
#180
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 20:50 PMKatitof


In which mod?

Because on life, panther has higher accuracy, higher penetration and shoots only slightly slower.


It's a matter of opinion. Comet has higher rate of fire, significantly less cooldown time. It also does more deflection damage. Yes it has lower penetration, which is pretty much balanced by higher rate of fire and cooldown (since its a calculation of likelihood of shot penetrating) but I think in the end it might equal out. Then its about all the other "features" it has over the Panther.
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