Firefly VS Panther

Both units are dedicated TDs while having a noticeable cost gap. Which unit exiles at this role and why.


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Panther isn't a dedicated TD.

It's a tank hunter or AT focused medium but it can deal with some infantry if need be. real dedicated tank destroyers can't really do anything to infantry at all.

Panther isn't dedicated TD, it got plenty of AI through MGs, not med tank level, but enough to decrew AT gun frontally, it has fundamentally different use then any of the TDs.

Panther isn't a dedicated TD.

It's a tank hunter or AT focused medium but it can deal with some infantry if need be. real dedicated tank destroyers can't really do anything to infantry at all.

AND Firefly is mostly a sniper TD which requires munition to be useful/OP.

The panther my friend is a medium tank bordering on heavy.... But if you wanna go up close and personal I'm goin withd the panther. The firefly has a pretty dang long range longer then most tank destroyers in this game but has horrid armor. So Panther up close for its armor and machine guns, and fireflys behind a meat shield as long range support.

As long as you can kite another tank besides of course the Yagd, the Firefly wins hands down with LoS.

Way to hard to make an honest decision here. Firefly is only good BC it has tulips and amazing alpha dmg. Panther can 1v1 any dedicated allied TD. Scenario based answers are the only correct answers here. I prefer FF because it's cheaper and can wipe mediums in under 3 seconds. FFs only struggle vs elephants and JTs.

Panther all the way. It's strong enough to fight any allied vehicle 1 on 1 and can handle infantry. The okw panther actually have good enough mg to be a threat against infantry.

mean while the firefly will die if it try to pull the same stunt

Panther is better in a vacuum but I'd argue that it struggles against numerically superior Allied tanks (Cromwell/M10 mostly) thing as its damage output really isn't that fantastic. Firefly meanwhile performs well against better armoured and generally more expensive Axis tanks.

It's kinda an apples vs oranges situation. Panther is undoubtedly the better all-round unit but it's quite hard to tech to and it's more generalised role means it isn't always a cost effective choice compared to more specialised units. Where it really shines is taking out heavy AI tanks (KV-8, churchill etc.), or steadily killing mediums while it escapes to fight on. The biggest advantage it has is it's survivability; with good armour, HP, speed, blitz and possibly doctrinal smoke you really have to make a big error to lose one. It's easier to use in that as long as you keep it facing the right way and at the right range it will do good damage to the opponent.

Firefly is more situational and requires more attention to use and keep alive, but when used correctly it can be more devastating than the panther. Without tulips its slow rate of fire makes it very hard to kill enemy tanks that withdraw after the first hit while the firefly doesn't have the speed or durability to pursue. Without any kind of 'click here to not die' button it can be difficult to keep alive. It suffers from the same problem as most allied TDs in that it's extremely strong against mediums but not that great against heavies. I'd like to see tulips less powerful and a little cheaper while the main gun reloads faster.

Nothing to really compare here. One is a tank the other is just a glass cannon. They don't remotely overlap or fill the same role.

Bordering on heavy? It is way across that border...

As most have said there is no comparison, Panther wins easily even with slightly higher cost taken into consideration.

So there is nothing wrong with a mobile, accurate and cheap elephant(AKA Firefly)? And how is the panther a generalist vehicle? Those triple MGs are decorative as they can't do shit.

Panther has by far the better mobility / traverse to hunt for tanks and / or TDs. Firefly is a sitting duck that needs a wall of armor in front of it to to its job. Not even taking AI into consideration, Panther is by far the better vehicle.

Which is better vanilla grens or Shrek'd PGs? This is a very similar question to the one you asked. Units have different roles.

Which is better vanilla grens or Shrek'd PGs? This is a very similar question to the one you asked. Units have different roles.

After the buff Penals threads, now we have the endless polls

We are looking for some community feedback, intended to be relayed for the game developers.

Who is 'We'? Who sent you on this secret wheraboo mission? Is this today's agenda of nerfing the Firefly?

As a TD - firefly no questions - tulip salvo plus main cannon shot and a Panther or almost any tank is dead. Panther isn't as strong as a TD but makes up for it being somewhat AI capable. Game isn't symmetrical, I think both units are fine.

I voted but then i relize he was a troll and he got ban.

Any way its the panther, but its not a TD.

Panter isn't tank destoroyer, it's not acting like firefly, it's just drives in front of your infantry/tanks and trying to do some damage and than gtfo to repair station.

This units have nothing in common, why you compairing them.