Sturmpioneers - Uberpioneers

The unit is fine, isn't overperforming and doesn't lack anywhere.


Its a T0 STARTING engineer unit, not ubermenshen(this line goes both, to you and to OP)

I agree, but I merely wish that OKW did not obtain that slight MP resource advantage at the start that other factions do not get.

I agree, but I merely wish that OKW did not obtain that slight MP resource advantage at the start that other factions do not get.

That is another issue, which I agree with.
OKW have already enough freebies as it is.

They beat tommies, they beat conscripts, they beat rifles, unless they are upgraded and weren't approaching over red cover.

They are not tho. They are beated by anything on long range same cover, they can roflrush tommies and kill them, but will be killed on aproach trought no and yellow cover by rifles and scripts, will kill rifles med-close range same cover which is bad example, coz this is the fight ami player can and should avoid, and will be beaten by scripts in pretty much every situation where scripts have where to kite with oorah.

Dire Irony is that they are more of a defensive unit after first 3 minutes when it becomes extremely easy to focus fire them, yet most of players in this topic seem to have problem with them used aggressively, lol.

300mp unit reinforcing for as much as 240mp unit.
I don't even need to argue here, numbers do the job.

still, 30mp is more than a lot of standart infantry. am i right or not? numbers do the job

They beat tommies, they beat conscripts, they beat rifles, unless they are upgraded and weren't approaching over red cover. They are utility unit, not a shock troop, obviously they get outperformed by elites, they are NOT elite themselves.

They vet reasonably fast, not faster or slower then any other infantry unit and by extension of your logic, apparently no unit can vet decently if they have no AIAT (FTFY).

well, as they are repairing or laying mines often, they dont have a lot of time in combat, therefore they dont vet fast. and no, that is NOT what i said. i personally think that volks vet a little too fast when they attack vehicles a lot

Again, they are NOT shock troop, the armor is irrelevant, only single infantry unit in the whole game uses armor, they have decent rec acc bonus from get to making them more durable.

4 men is NOT an argument, allied weapons are DESIGNED to go against 4 men squads, so it makes no difference unless you run frontally vs HE shermans or over mine fields.

And last but not least:

ALL units die pretty fast if you focus them, even shocks go down quickly to volks if they focus them.

unlike grenadiers for example, you have to close in, which means you are out of cover, which means you die faster......

The unit is fine, isn't overperforming and doesn't lack anywhere.


Its a T0 STARTING engineer unit, not ubermenshen(this line goes both, to you and to OP)

errr what???

as i already stated i do not think that they are übermenschen or OP. feel free to actually read my posts and try to think about it. you are the person here that tries to play down their weaknesses

You made this same thread one week ago, and everyone said you were wrong. Why did you make the same thread, with the same arguments, and expect different results? Why can't you just accept you are wrong?

You made this same thread one week ago, and everyone said you were wrong. Why did you make the same thread, with the same arguments, and expect different results? Why can't you just accept you are wrong?

What? That's first time I write here about Pios, lol. Is everything ok with you?

Gotta say, the Sturms seem fine to me as well. Sorry MissCommisar!

They are not tho. They are beated by anything on long range same cover, they can roflrush tommies and kill them, but will be killed on aproach trought no and yellow cover by rifles and scripts, will kill rifles med-close range same cover which is bad example, coz this is the fight ami player can and should avoid, and will be beaten by scripts in pretty much every situation where scripts have where to kite with oorah.

Dire Irony is that they are more of a defensive unit after first 3 minutes when it becomes extremely easy to focus fire them, yet most of players in this topic seem to have problem with them used aggressively, lol.

did you just say katitof is wrong? are you insane mate?

What? That's first time I write here about Pios, lol. Is everything ok with you?

Sorry, I was remembering the wrong poster.

Maybe you would appreciate the poll in this thread, though.
https://www.coh2.org/topic/49468/sturmpioneers-as-it-is-need-to-be-removed-from-the-game

They are not tho. They are beated by anything on long range same cover, they can roflrush tommies and kill them, but will be killed on aproach trought no and yellow cover by rifles and scripts, will kill rifles med-close range same cover which is bad example, coz this is the fight ami player can and should avoid, and will be beaten by scripts in pretty much every situation where scripts have where to kite with oorah.

Dire Irony is that they are more of a defensive unit after first 3 minutes when it becomes extremely easy to focus fire them, yet most of players in this topic seem to have problem with them used aggressively, lol.

Dude preparer yourself for kat response go open coh2 tool and rember it all or prepar to get rekt

I played today 2 or 3 games as OKW and I should say - it was sooooo easy...

http://www.companyofheroes.com/leaderboards#profile/steam/76561198062472736/history

Your match hisotry.

Out of your last 10 games, you played 2 games as okw.

You lost both.

One game even lasted a grand total of 8 minutes.

Your definition of "easy" seems to be suprisingly similair to getting your ass kicked.

No wonder you think axis are OP.

nmv

They are not tho. They are beated by anything on long range same cover, they can roflrush tommies and kill them, but will be killed on aproach trought no and yellow cover by rifles and scripts, will kill rifles med-close range same cover which is bad example, coz this is the fight ami player can and should avoid, and will be beaten by scripts in pretty much every situation where scripts have where to kite with oorah.

Dire Irony is that they are more of a defensive unit after first 3 minutes when it becomes extremely easy to focus fire them, yet most of players in this topic seem to have problem with them used aggressively, lol.

Since starting SP can be at your cutoff before your 1st RM, keep USF out of the argumentation please. In many maps, your the one trying to gain back your territory.

Don't make anymore posts until you play 100 more games... Then, if you have a problem with something, come back and make a nice thoughtful post about it.

I agree with you.

Done close topic

+1

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Don't make anymore posts until you play 100 more games... Then, if you have a problem with something, come back and make a nice thoughtful post about it.

Please lord let COH2.org implement this!

IMO, as stated in another thread, OKW should start with the new Kubel and the OKW player can decide to built a SP or volks. The problem with the SP is OKWs ability to dominate a cut off at the beginning of the game AND capture the rear. With a Kubel start, OKW would have to decide cut off OR rear cap. It couldn't do both.

I wouldn't be opposed to removing their 100% movement over rough terrain - it seems a bit excessive after their cost was reduced and would eliminate a bit of their somewhat annoying ability to YOLO rush some units. But essentially they are fine.

100% movement over rough terrain

Doesn't that only exist on Chateau de luvnest?

I just had a play around with Sturms on CheatCommands II...

Vet 0 Sturm squad was able to cross red cover, close with and destroy a Vet 0 Tommy squad which was in green cover, generally for the loss of only 1 or 2 models. Other than a garrison or a trench this is the best the British mainline infantry can hope for ( the mod didn't seem to have trenchs and exited a garrison when I tried to change their faction).

Vet 2 Sturms appeared to be superior to Vet 0 Commandos, seemed to depend who started in cover ( commandos being callins would be likely to meet Vet 1 or 2 Sturms). With both at Vet 0 and starting both out of cover at short range Commandos would edge it, often with a single model left. Vet 2 Sturms would give Vet 2 Commandos a very close fight at close range ( saw both win it by 1 model) even if the Commandos were cloaked and had ambush bonus.

Vet 2 Sturms could close with Royal Engineers @ 0 in green cover across red cover and win. Sometimes for the loss of a single model. Again, engineers are likely to meet Sturms with Vet.

Now Commandos are 440MP, and admittedly can spawn from houses which is frightfully useful, but in pure combat ability there isn't that much daylight between them. Sturms basically rape Tommies even when the Tommies have the most favourable position possible.

Doesn't that only exist on Chateau de luvnest?

Good question... I didn't really think about what qualifies as "rough terrain" since they removed all deep snow. I always thought things like craters counted as well but I could be wrong.