OKW AA Truck

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2016, 17:39 PMImagelessbean

OKW upgrades on trucks is a hold over from when they were resource limited. These bonuses were to help them maintain presence on the field because they would have fewer units than enemy. Currently too effective for cost.

In the next patch I fully expect all OKW trucks to lose their free upgrades and require direct tech to unlock.

Schwer is a poorly designed unit anyway since it completely negates infantry play, pulls a point out of contestion until at least one tank is around, gets to shoot down planes (again when OKW could potentially not afford to build a dedicated AA unit), and is a simple upgrade to all other factions tech structures.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 10:27 AMDomine

That is correct.
The cost of setting it up is immense, and you are seriously overblowing it's effectiveness on the field. It does not have brace, it does not outrange AT guns, and Sturmpios have the lowest repair speed out of all repair units. It does not require the combined arms approach of a Bofors, nor is it as cheap, nor does it wipe infantry in under a second. Get one tank destroyer, one AT gun or one indirect fire unit and start firing at it.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 11:09 AMDAZ187

lol wait did u just say Sturms have the lowest repair speed???

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 11:37 AMDomine

That is correct.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 11:46 AMKatitof

Then you should maybe play the game?

Only squad in game with even comparable rep speed to vetted spios are anvil 5 men REs.

Everything else have VASTLY lower repair speed then spios.

They used to be bugged, but were fixed.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 12:00 PMDomine

Spios have 1.6 repair speed. Everyone else has 2. Exception is I think REs.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 12:01 PMKatitof

Spios get +1 for sweepers and another +1 for vet2.

Do the math.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 12:01 PMKatitof

Spios get +1 for sweepers and another +1 for vet2.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 14:21 PMMoerserKarL

Are you sure katitof? I've red that the vet2 or 3 for sturmpios is currently not working/bugged(25% faster build time etc.) and someone from relic posted, that the sweeper does not affect the repair speed anymore.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2016, 21:49 PMcomm_ash

All right, lets talk about the Schwerer. Other people have already pointed out why its a bit silly that it is free, but I am going to explain how it has such a huge impact in the game.

The Schwerer is a tech structure that also provides you with fairly reliable AA, fairly reliable light - medium AT, and amazing AI. It also costs no more to unlock than the T4 tech of other factions at 120 fuel.

First of all, it gives you access to a great combination of armor, which you would expect to see in an Ostheer T3.5 if such a thing existed. The best comparison would be the British final tier structure, which gives them access to medium armor, TDs, and a heavy medium for a small sidetech cost. OKW T4, of course, gives access to all units for no increased sidetech cost.

Second of all, it gives you an AMAZING area denial tool. The Schwerer gives you a fairly long range emplacement that can easily deal with all target types. This makes a Schwerer with a raketen nearby almost impossible to push without your entire army, and even then only after you have teched for armor or purchased multiple AT guns, which means that you have spent more resources to counter the Schwerer than your opponent as spent putting it up. Ad a forwar retreat point nearby, and you make a defensive position that literally cannot be pushed until you can get heavy indirect fire.

The fact that the Schwerer is so hard to push, allows the OKW player to concentrate on the other side of the map without worrying about harrassment. This means that his opponent cannot send harrassing units, and will be fighting a defensive battle until they can get a counter Schwerer force together.

For all these reasons, I believe that the Schwerer is definitely too powerful for the fact that it is free with tech, and needs to be changed.

I would propose a or two of the following:

-Add a side tech cost on OKW HQs which allows OKW to unlock the special benefits (should cost fuel).

-A flat increase in the tech cost of OKW HQs to compensate for their lack of side tech for upgrades (fuel)

-The Schwerer is now unable to shoot down aircraft and has less pen.

-The Schwerer has less vision, so that supporting infantry are required to make use of it's weapon.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2016, 13:19 PMDomine

Which is synonymous for 'I have no arguments anymore' just like saying 'X is free' is synonymous for saying either 'I have no clue about this game' or 'I don't like this faction and will take every opportunity to pull it into the dirt'

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 15:43 PMVenstreDjevel

Would it actually be wise to introduce side teching into okw trucks, they will probably then have a more reduced price without thier "upgrades" and so we shall start seeing KTs getting rushed ridiculously in team games when one player can put all his trucks in base while carried then come out with a "5 min" kt or other such balls.

And proposing that there wont be a price drop will mean they will somehow have to work all of those potential costs in munitions only or with fuel at a stretch since okw only starts floating mp later in games to potentially have a cost on that resource....

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 17:03 PMRappy

Katitof, you are infuriating.

First of all you are rewriting history. Okw was heavily nerfed, THEN the resource penalty was eventually removed. Calling for a nerf because the resource penalty was buffed shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Secondly, the faction is designed to have bonuses with each truck. It is called a difference in design. It suffers in other ways to compensate. Ever seen an OKW non-doc mg? Ever seen a retreatable okw mortar? The list of differences (some superior and others inferior) to other factions goes on and on. Talk about area denial? Ever seen what allies can do around the central fuel in lierneux?

Why do you ignore what people say to you with regards suggestions of how to improve? Are you THAT ignorant?

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 22:26 PMGrim

Never known OKW to be considered a nerfed faction. I know people on this site had other opinions but....this is .org so that is to be expected to an extent.

On your second point, yes differences in design are good BUT when all those differences stack up in OKW's favour then change needs to be made. Side teching costs etc.....