[Relic blog] Game Balance: The State of 1v1 for ESL

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 08:21 AMcarloff

Win ratio of the top 250 players from the week for 1x1.

Rest of community (let's say it's kinda 5-6k(5000-6000) of players are not counted. Nice version of STATE of BALANCE.

MVGame

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 08:21 AMcarloff

Win ratio of the top 250 players from the week for 1x1.

Rest of community (let's say it's kinda 5-6k(5000-6000) of players are not counted. Nice version of STATE of BALANCE.

MVGame

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 09:10 AMsome one

Yes this is how it should be done.

I see right through you. Уou play 2 vs 2 and above with random teams. It is totally different game.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 19:38 PMGiaA

That's because someone who can't reach top 250 in this game is absolutely clueless about its basic mechanics. There aren't even 250 active players. Rank >250 is basically bronze level in other games. Even Top 50 players can be really bad. I'd say that from rank 25 upwards there's a pretty decent skill level the ranks below that are occupied by people who don't fully understand this game. (I'm not talking about apm or anything like that, I'm talking about troop movement, decision making and similar things)

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 05:30 AMTobis

The solution is L2P, not fuck up the balance.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 19:26 PMRedDevilCG

That's pretty darn good balance for 5 factions with many different mechanics and commanders to confuse things. Can't wait to see how much closer they can get it. One concern about even balance is stale gameplay. Maybe only one commander at high gameplay is ever viable, for instance. The dream would be balance within a couple % points, and multiple viable tactics and commanders that suit play styles.

One thing at a time though.

P.S. Is there somewhere to see the change log now that the official forums are down?

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 09:46 AM__deleted__

Lol. If only if Relic read this two years ago, I am sure the game would have been fixed.

I remember people claiming players needed to 'l2p' with the UKF wiping wonders launch. Lol perhaps you were one of those lot.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 07:11 AM_underscore

I might misunderstand your use of "active", but you can see precisely how many people are still playing ladder because inactive players are hidden from leaderboards. 1v1 has 2k-3k in each faction, while 4v4 is up towards 10k. I'm guessing most people don't play all game modes, or even all factions.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 15:02 PMMithiriath

http://www.coh2.org/topic/4307/company-of-heroes-2-changelog

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 16:55 PMRedDevilCG

Thanks!

Edit: last thread update was October?

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 19:24 PMBeefSurge

The games balanced when top 200 play because most MU's are one specific build order vs another, with main variables being initial capping order, micro, and trickery. Sure, everyone can get as good as the top 200 to enjoy balance. But what this means is memorizing specific strats that exploit extremely blatant holes in the poorly designed WFA and UKF.

In most good RTS games balance falls apart at the pro level, not the other way around. (Protoss for example.)

Soviet Maxim spam into T70 vs OKW, OKW aggressive cut off harassment vs USF into either tech, OKW fast luchs vs UKF. Really the only tactical and varied MU is Ost vs Soviet, because the factions are actually well designed.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 09:29 AMcarloff

I get your poitn, but can't agree with it. Look, if you want statistic for something you need to take info as much as you can from current pool. This 250 players are not correct pool for the game, they are just little more than 4% of all players here.

So you think 4% is really a balance state?

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 13:33 PM__deleted__

Don't let the charts fool you, top players know how to counter almost everything. If we take the player base outside of the 250 top range, things will go south very quickly.