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Your opinion on the state of the 222

27 Oct 2015, 21:18 PM
#41
avatar of The Red Death

Posts: 133

Because this is COH2 where absolutely nothing is as good as it's predecessor. ALL HAIL vCOH.
27 Oct 2015, 21:21 PM
#42
avatar of Mr. Someguy

Posts: 4928

Make it smaller.


This, it's way too large!
27 Oct 2015, 21:27 PM
#43
avatar of Intelligence209

Posts: 1124

It's simple, make it more resistant to small arms fire, even if a price increase calls for it.
27 Oct 2015, 21:47 PM
#44
avatar of l4hti

Posts: 476

wtf nosli, everyone knows that you dont like coh2. Comparing PE 222and Wehr 222 is like comparing apples and oranges. 222 is absolutely fine in terms of performance. Could maybe cost still 20 fuel.
27 Oct 2015, 21:52 PM
#45
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Patrion 14

Posts: 128

It doesn't really have a well-defined role. It's not particularly good at harassment, as it has low DPS, but it doesn't really cut it as a scout either, unless you get the doctrinal scope. All it does well is counter some other scout vehicles. Rarely do I build it.
27 Oct 2015, 23:24 PM
#46
avatar of pigsoup
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Make it smaller.


+1
27 Oct 2015, 23:52 PM
#47
avatar of Looney
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Posts: 444

It's simple, make it more resistant to small arms fire, even if a price increase calls for it.


For 60 muni :snfPeter: or is m20 side skirt 70 muni?
28 Oct 2015, 02:55 AM
#48
avatar of Nosliw

Posts: 515

jump backJump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 21:47 PMl4hti
wtf nosli, everyone knows that you dont like coh2. Comparing PE 222and Wehr 222 is like comparing apples and oranges. 222 is absolutely fine in terms of performance. Could maybe cost still 20 fuel.


That must be why I have over 600 hours of Coh2 and am top 100 with two factions in 1v1 and top 50 with several partners in 2v2? Kappa

I was simply pondering why in Coh 2 where most units lethality compared to Coh1 seems high, why the 222 got significanrly worse against infantry. Ruh dich aus alter
28 Oct 2015, 03:22 AM
#49
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Posts: 1225

222 is the mehest of the meh. Its not gonna counter an M20 if the latter is even merely decently microed and its anti-inf dps is too limited. It can be nice with vet and spotting scopes indeed but apart from that it has no place in the game, I rarely if ever buy it.

With that being said, I am not keen on the PE 222 either....
28 Oct 2015, 06:40 AM
#50
avatar of l4hti

Posts: 476

It costs 15 fuel. It cant be like a Luchs.
28 Oct 2015, 06:52 AM
#51
avatar of Leepriest

Posts: 179

I would improve it and Give it a price of 30 Fuel.
28 Oct 2015, 06:54 AM
#52
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Posts: 4314 | Subs: 7



Same gun as the Luchs, and nearly (just a different mount and barrel length) the same as the Sd Kfz 251/17 and base defense FlaK38. And all of them function a bit differently, some better than others.


By this definition then t 34 /85 shoud have the same range as su 85 - use same gun.

Then corcodile shoud do the same main gun damage as normal curchill - same gun.

Etc etc
28 Oct 2015, 07:08 AM
#53
avatar of Dullahan

Posts: 1384

It kills infantry just fine. It's as good as any other scout car or jeep or whathaveyou.

It still has the little machine gun thingy it used to have by default, in addition to the upgun.

28 Oct 2015, 11:24 AM
#54
avatar of Muxsus

Posts: 170

Completely counters: m3, m20, universal carrier. Can damage m5, m15, AEC. Its coaxial mg has the dps of an M3. Its autocannon is a threat to clumped infantry. What else could you ask for?
28 Oct 2015, 11:46 AM
#55
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Posts: 707

jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 11:24 AMMuxsus
Completely counters: m3, m20, universal carrier. Can damage m5, m15, AEC. Its coaxial mg has the dps of an M3. Its autocannon is a threat to clumped infantry. What else could you ask for?


Maybe you have no idea about this game.

NOT Completely counters: M3, M20 (Put a guards in M3, noobs can do that; Jump out of the M20 and shoot it)

Can damage m5, m15, AEC Suicidally.

Its coaxial mg does not have the dps of an M3.

Its autocannon is NOT a threat to clumped infantry, I can just blob right to it and heavily damage it just by blobbing and focusing fire.
28 Oct 2015, 12:23 PM
#56
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People comparing the m20 to a 222 seem to forget that the m20 comes with a vehicle crew that can instantly repair crits, has its own bazooka and can lay mines and has non doctrinal smoke :foreveralone:

Still I like the 222. It needs to be scaled down model wise and perhaps could do with a little increase in damage to infantry. Double 222 can rip apart infantry however.
28 Oct 2015, 12:30 PM
#57
avatar of Jewdo

Posts: 271

IT keeps the m20 at bay in an engagement, isnt that enough for 15 fuel or do you expect it to win you the game?
28 Oct 2015, 12:31 PM
#58
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People comparing the m20 to a 222 seem to forget that the m20 comes with a vehicle crew that can instantly repair crits, has its own bazooka and can lay mines and has non doctrinal smoke :foreveralone:

They also forget that it costs 50% more menpower and more fuel and is completely ineffective vs vehicles unless you expose that vehicle crew, completely stopping vehicle in place and exiting it.

Still I like the 222. It needs to be scaled down model wise and perhaps could do with a little increase in damage to infantry. Double 222 can rip apart infantry however.

Any improvement to its AI would have to be at the cost of its AT dps.
28 Oct 2015, 13:29 PM
#59
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 12:31 PMKatitof

They also forget that it costs 50% more menpower and more fuel and is completely ineffective vs vehicles unless you expose that vehicle crew, completely stopping vehicle in place and exiting it.


Any improvement to its AI would have to be at the cost of its AT dps.


It has almost no AT dps, what do you want to decrease? Lol
28 Oct 2015, 13:43 PM
#60
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It has almost no AT dps, what do you want to decrease? Lol

It have enough AT dps to reliably penetrate vehicles that costs 4-5 times as much fuel.
It hardcounters effortlessly every single light that costs less then 50 fuel(short of upgraded M5).
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