replace the volks schreck with mp44+faust.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 00:20 AMBeefSurge

Volks should choose between MP44 + incendiary nade upgrade that requires Mech HQ tech, or Shrek + faust upgrade that requires BHQ.

Cons also could use some sort love lategame, as well as T34. (Off topic.)

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 08:33 AMKatitof

And then you'd have twice as many volks, half with shrecks, half with ai upgrades.
This is exactly why volks won't be getting any other upgrade as long as they can have shrecks.

Also, 5 other dedicated AI squads are good counter argument why they should never get it.
As cancerous as shrecks are on them, they aren't going to change that.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 08:33 AMKatitof

And then you'd have twice as many volks, half with shrecks, half with ai upgrades.
This is exactly why volks won't be getting any other upgrade as long as they can have shrecks.

Also, 5 other dedicated AI squads are good counter argument why they should never get it.
As cancerous as shrecks are on them, they aren't going to change that.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 08:33 AMKatitof

Also, 5 other dedicated AI squads are good counter argument why they should never get it.
As cancerous as shrecks are on them, they aren't going to change that.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 14:00 PMFiresparks

obers are really a shadow of their former self at this point, but yet I don't really want to see them returning to their former strength.

Sturm might be cheaper, but they are still no match for a geared and vetted rifleman or tommies.

jaeger, panzerfusilier, and falls are doctrine units. Panzerfusilier is more of a glorified volks than anything else. That At nade on the panzerfusilier also managed to be even worst than the one on rifleman.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 17:07 PMcolgate

Remove panzershreck from volks and give them nothing (like conscripts)

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 17:07 PMcolgate

Remove panzershreck from volks and give them nothing (like conscripts)

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 14:00 PMFiresparks

obers are really a shadow of their former self at this point, but yet I don't really want to see them returning to their former strength.

Sturm might be cheaper, but they are still no match for a geared and vetted rifleman or tommies.

jaeger, panzerfusilier, and falls are doctrine units. Panzerfusilier is more of a glorified volks. That At nade on the panzerfusilier also managed to be even worst than the one on rifleman.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 11:31 AMZyllen

" Look as the current zook/bar rifleblob " right katitof because only allies can have good stuff right.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 20:48 PMOmega_Warrior

Zook blob? Are you kidding me.

I almost never see a zook blob, and when I do they are almost always completely ineffective.

Even a blob of 4 rifles with double zooks has trouble taking a P4 down halfway, and it's never worth the amount of AI they give up.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 13:06 PMZyllen

Fuckof with your strawmen failfish. Like the fanboy you are you blatantly ignore that the usf and brits can dump AI and AT weapons on their mainline infantry but you have the gall to complain about volks? not to mention now that rifle squad with their ridiculous vet 3 bonuses basically are even worse when volks had the -29% at vet 5?

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 21:48 PMKubelecer

No but you see, the point is that you CAN make zook blobs, shrecks can be better and available on cheap infantry,but dual zook riflemen so broken they just amove into your base and kill elefants in 1 hit

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 22:01 PMOmega_Warrior

Yes, you "CAN" make zook blobs. You also "CAN" build an army of nothing but snipers. That doesn't mean you can actually discuss it like it is at all a viable tactic.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 19:57 PMZeaviS

But that's kind of the point. If your fully upgraded tommy and rifleman couldn't beat a sturm, that would be stupid. However, vanilla sturms can kill rifleman if you close the distance. That's why you get obers later on who can match up with the upgrades later on.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 19:57 PMZeaviS

But that's kind of the point. If your fully upgraded tommy and rifleman couldn't beat a sturm, that would be stupid. However, vanilla sturms can kill rifleman if you close the distance. That's why you get obers later on who can match up with the upgrades later on.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 22:42 PMZyllen

If zooka blob is not a valid tactic the neither is the shrek blob people are blabbering about. Sure shrek has more punching power but the zooka has a higher rof and is significantly cheaper.

The point im making however is before , katitof used a shitty strawmen argument , is that giving the volks an AI option doesnt make them suddenly OP.