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Received accuracy bonuses aside, aren't flamer penals sort of like flamer rifles right now, except for smoke?
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Their flamer upgrade make them pretty useful in urban maps
For the rest, I dunno I find them pretty useless too. 'Anti-infantry' - sure.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Their flamer upgrade make them pretty useful in urban maps
For the rest, I dunno I find them pretty useless too. 'Anti-infantry' - sure.
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So does the CE flamer.
Penals are tier restricted unit who does the same job as engineer.
Penals should get 100% far accuracy increase to double their far DPS for starter, if that won't be enough, I'd go for vet change, even if it meant cost increase.
But far dps being 2x of what its now should be enough-simple change, hard to fuck up, even relic could do it.
For mid-late game that flame benefit goes away imo. Because now you have one less rifle shooting (which isn't all that effective anyway. And now you have a unit that needs to get close to shoot...which against obers for example just melts them away. Would make more sense on a close range unit like shocks, or it makes sense on USF because they can smoke and BAR. SO now you're stuck with a expensive unit. IMO conscripts scale better late...even though they are paper, but they at least have molvs and Anti tank grenades.
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Let them upgrade 2 flamethrowers for 120 muni - DONE.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The reason why Penals suck isn't because their vet is shit. They have some of the best veterancy bonus's in the game (they get 30% more accuracy twice which is huge as accuracy is the biggest determiner in DPS next to just damage). The issue is their rifles are horrible. Not necessarily in reload, but they are highly inaccurate and have a long cool down and aim time (especially at far to mid).
Making their rifles more similar to G43's (like Gren and Fuss ones) would work, since yknow the whole semi-automatic thing. I would also remove the flamethrower package (since their gimmick used to be they never exploded and flamer explosions are so rare now it basically doesn't matter) and replace it with commissar upgrade (unlocked after T3 or T4 is built) that makes them fight harder as they die and cheaper to reinforce.
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Done what?
You'll end up with underperforming unit with 2 flamers instead of 1.
And it still makes more sense to get 2 CEs with flamers instead.
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