Su-76 no longer needs free barrage?

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 07:19 AMAerohank

Have any of you people actually done the math on Soviet vs Ostheer tech?

Even when you 0 fuel advantage over an Ostheer player, which is hard to imagine considering how super effective M5 quad rushes are, you can still get out a quad and 2 SU76s before a P4 hits the field.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 07:35 AMEsxile

If you wait for a P4 to counter an Atgun on tracks, you probably deserve to lose. We all know the quad need to be nerf in some ways, no need to put it on the table again and again...

On topic:
Make the Su-76 barrage = to Zis barrage and apply the same cost if you want.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 04:01 AMBulgakov

Well then you wouldn't miss it would you?



The barrage is hit-and-miss but it can wipe a squad fairly regularly. Every game I see SU-76s and every game they use barrage a lot.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 08:59 AMIron Emperor

Make the barrage cost 60 ammo or something, so soviets can use their ammo on something.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 08:59 AMIron Emperor

Make the barrage cost 60 ammo or something, so soviets can use their ammo on something.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 02:12 AMVuther

Keywords.

...also I'm pretty sure literally everyone would easily lose against anyone else with that kind of fuel disadvantage.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 07:46 AMAerohank

Well, what other unit are you going to put against it? The Stug G? Same deal, there will be a Quad and 2 SU76 on the field by the time you get a StugG. Panther? Good luck with that against 4 SU76.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 09:19 AMKatitof

That is like making volks cost 300 mp so OKW doesn't float mp anymore.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 10:13 AMJunaid

Well you know which other faction gets oodles of extra mp? USF. Its not like OKW is the only one to get oodles of free mp from their incorrect teching costs.

Lets alo price nerf rifles to 350 mp. kappa

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 10:13 AMJunaid

Well you know which other faction gets oodles of extra mp? USF. Its not like OKW is the only one to get oodles of free mp from their incorrect teching costs.

Lets alo price nerf rifles to 350 mp. kappa

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 10:15 AMKatitof

You think USF floats menpower?
For real?
Have you ever played USF in your life?
Rifles upkeep, reinforcement and squad cost make sure that you have absolutely no mp for anything.
There is a reason why all the USF players have 300+ fuel but no menpower to spend that fuel on in mid/late game.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 07:12 AMKatitof

You all are bitching about a unit that was extinct forever, suddenly came back and you have no clue on how to fight it.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 12:13 PMBulgakov

So to clarify my original question:

A vehicle with great AI like the Ostwind has no AT capability.
A TD like SU-85 has great AT but no AI capability.
A generalist like a PIV has medium AI and medium AT capability.

So why does the SU-76 have great AT but also come with a free AI barrage? There should be a trade-off.