Su-76 no longer needs free barrage?
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I don't think it also needs an AI capability to go along with it. Having the ability to fire HE at long range for free with a unit that can also penetrate every tank in the game seems like too much.
What does the community think?
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Before people bring up the ZiS-3 and Munitions Cost, I want to point out that the SU-76 barrage is vastly inferior to the ZiS-3 Barrage.Kappa
Edit: Fuck, I'm too late.
It may be inferior to the ZIS one but, a TD that gets a free anti-infantry barrage without muni cost... It sounds weird to me
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Kappa
It may be inferior to the ZIS one but, a TD that gets a free anti-infantry barrage without muni cost... It sounds weird to me
I see no issue with the concept. It's like a reversal of the ZiS's, a AT gun that gets a good AI barrage at a reasonable cost, and the ZiS's is fine, because the ZiS on its own is also fine. SU-76 is a TD with a free meh AI barrage. If spamming ZiSes was far more effective because...they suddenly became old Pak40s or something I dunno, said reasonably-costing good AI barrage would just be another straw along with how good spamming ZiSes are.
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The StuG also has AI and AA with the gunner upgrade.
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clearly you havent had the only AT in your defensive line (i.e. pak) decimated by 2 or 3 su76s doing a shoot n scoot with that barrage at 60 range while youre desperately trying to save fuel for that first StuG
Keywords.
...also I'm pretty sure literally everyone would easily lose against anyone else with that kind of fuel disadvantage.
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Allow to skip T3.
Double ATG and double sniper into 85s.
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clearly you havent had the only AT in your defensive line (i.e. pak) decimated by 2 or 3 su76s doing a shoot n scoot with that barrage at 60 range while youre desperately trying to save fuel for that first StuG
So s/he has 3 SU 76s while you have no proper counter. This means you are at a severe fuel disadvantage. Maybe the other player is better than you
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Nope. barrage isnt even that good
Well then you wouldn't miss it would you?
The barrage is hit-and-miss but it can wipe a squad fairly regularly. Every game I see SU-76s and every game they use barrage a lot.
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I never hit anything with the SU-76 barrage unless I have like 3+ of them barraging the same area. Let's let the SU-76 have its day in the sun before we send him back to the shadows eh?
If you're saying that the barrage is bad then why would removing it send the su-76 back to the shadows???
It's good now because of its TD range and penetration and would be balanced like that. The barrage gives it too many advantages.
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If you're saying that the barrage is bad then why would removing it send the su-76 back to the shadows???
It's good now because of its TD range and penetration and would be balanced like that. The barrage gives it too many advantages.
Touche! I don't think it's terrible and it gives the unit some nice flavor. Might be a little bit too cost effective, but it's not on M5 levels of stupidity.
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Kappa
It may be inferior to the ZIS one but, a TD that gets a free anti-infantry barrage without muni cost... It sounds weird to me
Jagdtiger.
Also, SU-76 is not and never was a pure TD, ever.
Its a FIELD GUN on trucks, its purpose and use was BOTH light artillery and AT support, hence the reflection of it in game.
You all are bitching about a unit that was extinct forever, suddenly came back and you have no clue on how to fight it.
Adapt, learn to play, PaKs are not rooted in place.
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...also I'm pretty sure literally everyone would easily lose against anyone else with that kind of fuel disadvantage.
So s/he has 3 SU 76s while you have no proper counter. This means you are at a severe fuel disadvantage. Maybe the other player is better than you
Have any of you people actually done the math on Soviet vs Ostheer tech?
Even when you 0 fuel advantage over an Ostheer player, which is hard to imagine considering how super effective M5 quad rushes are, you can still get out a quad and 2 SU76s before a P4 hits the field.
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