M26 Pershing/Calliope Debate

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2015, 03:04 AMSwift

I initially disliked the idea of the Pershing because I was maining axis at the time, so typical axis fanboy behaviour, but since then I think it's more a case of USF need more variation and not bigger things to run away with.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2015, 04:02 AMMr. Someguy

I don't want one because a Sherman Jumbo would actually be a unique take on the "Heavy" Tank, rather than a copy of the Tiger or IS-2 like the Pershing will probably be. That and the Jumbo actually had an effect on the outcome of the war, while the Pershing showed up at the very end and did nothing spectacular, other than show the Soviets our most recent advancements in tank development right before our alliance was over (not that this mattered either!).

254 Sherman Jumbos officially produced, unknown number of custom conversions (tank crews salvaging armour from dead tanks and welding it to theirs), saw productive use in the Battle of the Bulge. Compared to 20 M26 Pershings (still known as T26E3 upon their arrival to Europe), a fraction of which saw action.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2015, 04:11 AMNuclear Arbitor

we all know the ostwind, 251/17, and sturm tiger are what nearly won the war for the germans.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2015, 04:24 AMMr. Someguy

The Ostwind should have been a Wirbelwind, only because the Möbelwagen would need a set-up and tear-down time, which doesn't fit the role of a mobile anti-infantry weapon. Rather, it would be temporary static-defense.

251/17 should have been the 251/21 Drilling, but Drilling didn't need to 'setup' because it had fixed panels, so the unit would function more like the Soviet Quad, which may have been too similar.

The Sturmtiger gets a pass solely because there is nothing else like it that could take on the function it has in-game, but I still think it's a silly unit and hard to balance.

I have similar feelings about the Jagdtiger, would have preferred a Jagdpanther instead.

Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2015, 22:58 PMBeefSurge

I want the USF to get a super Pershing ace equipped with Caliope rockets. Vehicle crew all have assault rifle variant M1 Carbines and incendiary grenades.

Jump back to quoted post17 Aug 2015, 13:14 PMEtherealDragon

Calliope would be very welcomed for me. I feel like some of USF late-game struggles comes from their lack of real artillery so its very difficult to clear out an Ost. player who has dug in somewhere with MG42s and Paks especcially on certain maps like when you spawn South on Langresaya

Jump back to quoted post17 Aug 2015, 15:16 PMAsmallChicken

Wouldn't the Sherman Jumbo just be a glorified KV1? Nothing to be too excited about.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 00:08 AMMr. Someguy

And the Pershing would just be a copy+paste IS-2. So interesting.

Besides, the Jumbo had superior performance to the KV-1. Armour was better, and they could be armed with 76mm guns.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 02:43 AMnee

You know, you still haven't actually defined your idea of what a heavy tank is.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 03:26 AMnee

It means you're throwing that term around without actually telling us what it is, and when I asked you to define that term you ignored that request.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 03:48 AMnee

Then you're speaking nonsense when you insist things are heavy vehicles and not even bothering to explain why. Jumbos, for example, are the closest to what US troops had to heavy tanks, because they had no actual heavy tanks outside of the M26. Closest to heavy =/= actual heavy.