frequent rifle grenades squad wipes

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 00:32 AMLemonJuice

its not directional vs explosives, if youre in green cover youll take half damage from grenades no matter where the grenade lands.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 00:44 AMSeismicSquall

Molotovs dont wipe a full health squad on impact and require fuel to unlock

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 01:11 AMdaspoulos

Soviets also spend the least on teching out of anybody so you can buy whatever the hell upgrades you want. Molotovs cost 15 munitions vs 30 munitions. They only wipe full health squads if you're a fucking moron who doesn't think twice about seeing a full 5-6 man squad stacked inside each other engaging a gren squad that you should be keeping an eye out whether you think your enemy might shoot a rifle nade. So if your common sense even goes a little bit further you'll know to watch for the animation. L2P ffs the only issue is riflenade range increase at vet. Wanna know how to tie your shoes as well?

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 01:22 AMSeismicSquall

My riflemen were adequately spaced, single file, behind a row of cover in each case. I guess il need to upload a few videos to illustrate.

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2015, 20:38 PMluvnest

how can one be so biased?

Grenade wipes happen on both sides, and it's due to the cover seeking behaviour. Units tend to clump up much more after leaving cover, and they phase through each other so it's possible that the whole squad stands on the same spot. The fact that Riflenades have this long range makes it a bit easier for them. If you would just increase the spacing for the squads if they are not in cover, that would help alot.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 01:06 AMCookiezNcreem

if you fire a riflegrenade from the rear flank or side flank of a rifle squad thats in green cover thats bunched up=theyll get wiped in one hit from full health as if they werent in cover or in yellow cover

If you fire it at a full health rifle squad frontally thats in green cover then the squad will not get wiped at all,theyll lose a model or two and a lot of health,but they wont get wiped unless they were wounded or low on men already.

If you fire it at a bunched squad in red cover. they all die.
If you fire it at a bunched squad in yellow cover,they all die
if you fire it at a bunched squad thats only partially in green cover, and still bunched they'll probably die,depends on how the nade was aimed

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2015, 20:26 PMSeismicSquall

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It is already almost impossible to dodge, the only way to foresee the nade is to listen to when they yell "grenade!", but alot of the time I have 2 or more skirmishes going on and even then discerning which squad is aiming at which is nearly impossible.
Is this working as intended?

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 01:11 AMdaspoulos

Soviets also spend the least on teching out of anybody so you can buy whatever the hell upgrades you want. Molotovs cost 15 munitions vs 30 munitions. They only wipe full health squads if you're a fucking moron who doesn't think twice about seeing a full 5-6 man squad stacked inside each other engaging a gren squad that you should be keeping an eye out whether you think your enemy might shoot a rifle nade. So if your common sense even goes a little bit further you'll know to watch for the animation. L2P ffs the only issue is riflenade range increase at vet. Wanna know how to tie your shoes as well?

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 00:48 AMAssaultPlazma

Am I alone in the belief its extreme hard to spot vet 2 grenadiers preparing a rifle grenade in a big fight with a bunch going on?

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 00:51 AMAssaultPlazma

Nice to see im not alone, IMO by itself the Rifle Grenade is fine but the Vet 2 range+lots of going on makes it borderline impossible to see it coming before its too late!

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2015, 21:46 PMZupadupadude

Yea this is getting a little ridiculous, the animation is easy to spot, come on.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 01:06 AMCookiezNcreem

if you fire a riflegrenade from the rear flank or side flank of a rifle squad thats in green cover thats bunched up=theyll get wiped in one hit from full health as if they werent in cover or in yellow cover

If you fire it at a full health rifle squad frontally thats in green cover then the squad will not get wiped at all,theyll lose a model or two and a lot of health,but they wont get wiped unless they were wounded or low on men already.

If you fire it at a bunched squad in red cover. they all die.
If you fire it at a bunched squad in yellow cover,they all die
if you fire it at a bunched squad thats only partially in green cover, and still bunched they'll probably die,depends on how the nade was aimed

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 04:15 AMLemonJuice

ran some tests cause i had nothing better to do, it appears like you are correct in that it is directional, but it seems its based upon the location of the squad that threw/fired the grenade rather than where the grenade lands as vuther suggested.

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2015, 20:38 PMluvnest

how can one be so biased?

Grenade wipes happen on both sides, and it's due to the cover seeking behaviour. Units tend to clump up much more after leaving cover, and they phase through each other so it's possible that the whole squad stands on the same spot. The fact that Riflenades have this long range makes it a bit easier for them. If you would just increase the spacing for the squads if they are not in cover, that would help alot.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 11:53 AMilGetUSomDay

To be fair, in the first patch of the March deployment 1.0 we had to deal with uber Ostheer and Pio spam for a whole month. When Ass engineers were buffed they were hot fixed that week

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 11:53 AMilGetUSomDay

To be fair, in the first patch of the March deployment 1.0 we had to deal with uber Ostheer and Pio spam for a whole month. When Ass engineers were buffed they were hot fixed that week.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2015, 06:51 AMHighfiveeeee

Watch the animation, if you're careful it's nearly impossible to not dodge a rifle nade. The animation itself takes about 1.5 seconds and the grenade flying through the air takes about 2 seconds or more.