doctrinal units should

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 18:23 PMAustralian Magic

14min with Luftwaffe, 17min without.


So what? I guess you have not played the game when M3 costed 90MP and early/mid game took 10min till medium/late-late.
Relic has increased prices of light vehicles in one purporse. Delay fast late-game and now you want late game around 14-17min. Brilliant.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 18:29 PMAlexzandvar

The KT doesn't normally ever come out at 17 minutes because it implies your converting to fuel AND the Ostheer player has wasted all his MP on fuel caches.

Really it's a non issue, making call in's dependent on tiers has been the go to answer to fixing the call in meta for a while now, the KT is just a good example of how it can be done while remaining balanced.

otoh your insistence that 17 minute KT's are viable because it means 17 minutes with no armor support AND no Ostheer support/teching is somewhat suspect.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 18:39 PMAustralian Magic

Try rush KT in 4v4 with 1-2 cache and muni-fuel after getting 2 schrecks.
KT will arrive at 17min if you have good team so you wont be pushed back very hard.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 18:43 PMAlexzandvar

Except this still means no armor, and only 2 shreks is pathetic in 4's because your facing more medium armor, not less.

It's a very idiotic tactic, not to mention KT doesn't just hand you a win either so your risking everything for not that much of a pay off.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 18:55 PMAustralian Magic

It's not like OKW has only schrecks. There is also raketen.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 18:43 PMAlexzandvar

Except this still means no armor, and only 2 shreks is pathetic in 4's because your facing more medium armor, not less.

It's a very idiotic tactic, not to mention KT doesn't just hand you a win either so your risking everything for not that much of a pay off.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 19:25 PMKatitof

Psst, shreck is not only OKW AT option.

There is another one, really cheap, doesn't require teching and comes from T0, you may not like it, but it does the job.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 19:50 PMAlexzandvar

If only the Rackten could hit anything, or not die in one hit.

The Puppchen is kinda okay against heavy armor because it doesn't move that fast, but it's utter garbage against mediums because the aim time is waaaaay to long.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 20:09 PMAustralian Magic

You are ignorant.

Raketen has pros and cons but double raketen can easily fight with Sherman, especially on maps with buildings.

And aim time.. It's not like it can't hit anything. Put raketen on the narrow Stalingrad's road, drive with M3 through that road and raketen will shoot. Trust me.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 20:11 PMAlexzandvar

It also loves to shoot the world objects because of the way the projectile works. It's garbage dude, it's almost universally known to be so. Would rather have a 57 or ZiS any day.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 20:26 PMKatitof

If it roll a hit, it will hit, will clip through everything and hit.
You know, because of the way the projectile works.
Hits via scatter miss are less likely, other then that its pretty much the same as any other AT gun, so don't play 3v3 and 4v4 elevated scrubfest maps.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2015, 10:53 AMvan Voort

No, it's clear by now that Alex choses to play a faction with abundant manpower to which 270 MP is nothing but refuses to employ a T0 unit that is easily expendable and can be based in a building to require no micro because it's not good enough for him.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 04:06 AMRollo

I'll tell you why relic will never make the IS-2,T-34/85, Easy 8 etc non-doctrinal and it's because big tanks at the end of those CP's sell DLC. Just think of all the people that brought Rifle company or Elite troops after they released, do you really think they would have sold as well if they had the tanks switched out with a regular doctrinal ability? I doubt it.

Relic make money from the current system, it's easier to put a tank back a few CP's when people complain rather than rip out a system they profit from.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 04:17 AMUnited

^^^
to add to that

Its not in Relics interest to fix call-in meta. Relic themselves have said a very long time ago the Soviets were designed around call-ins hence why soviet stock units (with few exceptions) have always been trash since release.