Login

russian armor
COH2.ORG » Forums » Parlor Room » COH2 Central » COH2 Balance » stug E assault tank

stug E assault tank

PAGES (4)down
New topic New topic     Upload replay New Reply
Australian Magic
11 Jan 2015, 16:22 PM
#21
avatar of Australian Magic

Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 16:10 PMAchtAchter


Doesn't this apply to a lot of soviet doctrines? Are they op too? Or is it op only because it's Axis?


Soviets doctrines don't provide mid-game vehicles. You have to rely on ZiS which is very risky some times.

In this situation you have Stug E which can fill this gap.

What's more, there is not any doctrine so useful on all stages of the game. Some doctrines have 2 early games abilities and 3 late game, others have 4 early game and 1 late game.
Here you have everything. Early game ability, mid game abilities and late game ability.


Skipping PzIV is not so risky when you have Paks and Stug E.
Skipping T34 and SU85 and waiting for IS2 or ISU may be very, very risky because you don't have mid game vehicles.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Bananainpajamas
11 Jan 2015, 17:20 PM
#22
avatar of Bananainpajamas

Posts: 123

guys i had an at gun... im just complaining really on how you can get such an effective ai tank for no tech cost and then go strait too tiger... it can also stun any tank and when it is supported with a pak its hard to counter... i tired spotting my at gun with cons and they would get wiped in 1 or 2 shots... i literally have had multiple games and when i try to counter with t34 soon later there is a damn tiger that comes out because he didnt spend any fuel on teching i just find this commander lets you get away with a very effective low tech game and it is very annoying..
Playercard of BananaInPajamas

1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P
1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P
1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P
1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Bananainpajamas
11 Jan 2015, 17:27 PM
#23
avatar of Bananainpajamas

Posts: 123

Australian magic put hit it on the nail
Playercard of BananaInPajamas

1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P
1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P
1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P
1v1: P2v2: P3v3: P4v4: P


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
van Voort
11 Jan 2015, 20:48 PM
#24
avatar of van Voort
Honorary Member Badge

Posts: 3552 | Subs: 2

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 13:12 PMy3ivan
its OP right now due to Ostheer "call-in no-teching"commander. Other than that its a fragile tank.


And yet despite the fact that almost everything in this commander is unique (A Grens, Meach Assault Group, STUG-E) and it should be reasonably clear by the time these things come out what is going to happen people are still acting surprised by it

Resident Soviet Whiner and Grand Master Bias Jedi; General Secretary of the Soviet Whine Hydra Collective; Axis Hating Sheeple; Allied Butt Buddy! Collect Them All!
Also the African Branch of TAB Bulletins

PS: The Italian Army fought with courage and skill
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Mr. Someguy
11 Jan 2015, 21:18 PM
#25
avatar of Mr. Someguy

Posts: 4928

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 11:55 AMAustralian Magic
All you need to do is to switch tech cost with building cost but I think it's too hard for relic to do this :foreveralone:

Would have worked in the old meta, but not anymore. Teching is simply more expensive than USF and OKW.


jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 13:12 PMy3ivan
its OP right now due to Ostheer "call-in no-teching"commander. Other than that its a fragile tank.

Great news, it was actually designed to be a "no tech" Commander. That's why it comes with Infantry, AT, AI Vehicle, Artillery, and Heavy Vehicle.
jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jan 2016, 01:09 AMluvnest
all you filthy hotchkiss lovers need to l2p #TeamPanzerIII

> Kriegsbeute Doctrine|Partisan Rework|British Infantry Rework|Soviet Assault Squad <
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
elchino7
11 Jan 2015, 21:31 PM
#26
avatar of elchino7
Senior Moderator Badge

Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2

Stug-E is fine, it's just another example of the game state.
No teching into Callins. Stug E is just a stopgap that let's you stay ingame till you can get the Tiger.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.

Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.

Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
sir muffin
11 Jan 2015, 22:41 PM
#27
avatar of sir muffin

Posts: 531

remember when the stug is was so fuckin useless? i never saw one until this patch, relic, wtf. you have like 10 RTS titles to your company name, learn to balence!
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
ElSlayer
11 Jan 2015, 23:29 PM
#28
avatar of ElSlayer

Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 21:18 PMMr. Someguy

Great news, it was actually designed to be a "no tech" Commander. That's why it comes with Infantry, AT, AI Vehicle, Artillery, and Heavy Vehicle.

What's the difference between "it is OP" and "it is OP and designed to be OP", especially when you are on recieving end?
(note, that I personally don't think that Mech Assault is OP)
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Australian Magic
11 Jan 2015, 23:31 PM
#29
avatar of Australian Magic

Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 21:18 PMMr. Someguy

Would have worked in the old meta, but not anymore. Teching is simply more expensive than USF and OKW.



Yes, but such solution could open new options like Panthers, Brummabars and PzWerfers in 1v1 since you don't need to pay tons of resources for tech, just for buildings you can skip tier 3 without huge investment.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Ossy
13 Jan 2015, 13:08 PM
#30
avatar of Ossy

Posts: 42

Stug E needs a rof nerf. That's all.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
SlaYoU
13 Jan 2015, 13:45 PM
#31
avatar of SlaYoU

Posts: 400

So many crybabies. Now the only doctrine that keeps Wehr somehow viable is under the whiners' spotlight. My only concern about this unit / doctrine is that it pidgeonholed the whole faction into playing it just to remain competitive. Yes please, nerf Stug E, but buff Wehrmacht as a whole + buff every other Wehr doctrine, ty.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
GustavGans
13 Jan 2015, 14:00 PM
#32
avatar of GustavGans

Posts: 747

Stug E OP sure... What are you guys smoking?!

Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
ungodlike
13 Jan 2015, 14:12 PM
#33
avatar of ungodlike

Posts: 62

Stug E is as OP as the SU76...
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
assbag
13 Jan 2015, 16:22 PM
#34
avatar of assbag
Donator 22

Posts: 83

Its not just the stug E. I find this doctrine as a whole a bit ridiculous. 4 call-ins for differnt stages of the game and off-map arty... lel

As USF I really dont have problems agaist that. You should have a sherman around the same time as stuge E hits the field and captain + stuart also wrecks it. As soviets I just spam the shit out of guards motor with 0 tech. Button the stug E and at nade it to death. 85s and mark target will handle the tiger.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
RMMLz
13 Jan 2015, 21:19 PM
#35
avatar of RMMLz

Posts: 1802 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2015, 14:12 PMungodlike
Stug E is as OP as the SU76...


Hah, I see what you did there. Good point.

http://dadmand-art.ir/
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
VonMecha
13 Jan 2015, 21:39 PM
#36
avatar of VonMecha

Posts: 419

You want to nerf the stug e lol. We all saw how it worked before and it was useless. A tank that was as fragile as a half trak, does negligible damage to vehicles that cant kill infantry very well, with 80 percent costs of a tank. This thing is on par with a t34s anti infantry capability, so how is it op? If it cant kill infantry as well as a t34 whats the point of it even existing?
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
JHeartless
13 Jan 2015, 22:03 PM
#37
avatar of JHeartless

Posts: 1637

StugE? You mean the one that can die to an M15 AA HT? Or the ONLY thing in game a Stuart can actually kill?
jump backJump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 21:57 PMREforever
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
spam.r33k
13 Jan 2015, 23:20 PM
#38
avatar of spam.r33k

Posts: 503

double post incoming
Playercard of SPAM.R33k

1v1: Pstreak: + 1
1v1: Pstreak: + 1
1v1: Pstreak: - 1
1v1: Pstreak: - 1


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
spam.r33k
13 Jan 2015, 23:21 PM
#39
avatar of spam.r33k

Posts: 503

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 17:20 PMBananainpajamas
guys i had an at gun... im just complaining really on how you can get such an effective ai tank for no tech cost and then go strait too tiger... it can also stun any tank and when it is supported with a pak its hard to counter... i tired spotting my at gun with cons and they would get wiped in 1 or 2 shots... i literally have had multiple games and when i try to counter with t34 soon later there is a damn tiger that comes out because he didnt spend any fuel on teching i just find this commander lets you get away with a very effective low tech game and it is very annoying..


it has 55 pen. with target weakpoint 110.
it bounces a lot unless you hit the rear armor
Playercard of SPAM.R33k

1v1: Pstreak: + 1
1v1: Pstreak: + 1
1v1: Pstreak: - 1
1v1: Pstreak: - 1


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Katitof
13 Jan 2015, 23:24 PM
#40
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2015, 14:12 PMungodlike
Stug E is as OP as the SU76...

If that was the true we'd have about 50 threads to nerf SU-76 a day.
jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2015, 22:03 PMJHeartless
StugE? You mean the one that can die to an M15 AA HT?

I can't even imagine how bad you have to be to achieve that result.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
PAGES (4)down
New topic New topic     Upload replay New Reply
1 user is browsing this thread: 1 guest
COH2.ORG » Forums » Parlor Room » COH2 Central » COH2 Balance » stug E assault tank

Ladders Top 10

UKF
USF
OKW
SOV
OST
1v1
2v2
3v3
4v4
  • #
    Steam Alias
    W
    L
    %
    Streak
Data provided by Relic Relic Entertainment

Replay highlight

Top Tier Teams
VS
  • U.S. Forces flag cblanco ★
  • The British Forces flag 보드카 중대
  • Oberkommando West flag VonManteuffel
  • Ostheer flag Heartless Jäger
Einhoven Country
Einhoven Country Honor
Honor it
9
 Download
Download
1235
uploaded by XXxxHeartlessxxXX

Board Info

853 users are online: 853 guests
0 post in the last 24h
8 posts in the last week
34 posts in the last month
Registered members: 49107
Welcome our newest member, Falac851
Most online: 2043 users on 29 Oct 2023, 01:04 AM