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Australian Magic
11 Jan 2015, 16:22 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 16:10 PMAchtAchter


Doesn't this apply to a lot of soviet doctrines? Are they op too? Or is it op only because it's Axis?


Soviets doctrines don't provide mid-game vehicles. You have to rely on ZiS which is very risky some times.

In this situation you have Stug E which can fill this gap.

What's more, there is not any doctrine so useful on all stages of the game. Some doctrines have 2 early games abilities and 3 late game, others have 4 early game and 1 late game.
Here you have everything. Early game ability, mid game abilities and late game ability.


Skipping PzIV is not so risky when you have Paks and Stug E.
Skipping T34 and SU85 and waiting for IS2 or ISU may be very, very risky because you don't have mid game vehicles.
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Bananainpajamas
11 Jan 2015, 17:20 PM
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guys i had an at gun... im just complaining really on how you can get such an effective ai tank for no tech cost and then go strait too tiger... it can also stun any tank and when it is supported with a pak its hard to counter... i tired spotting my at gun with cons and they would get wiped in 1 or 2 shots... i literally have had multiple games and when i try to counter with t34 soon later there is a damn tiger that comes out because he didnt spend any fuel on teching i just find this commander lets you get away with a very effective low tech game and it is very annoying..
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Bananainpajamas
11 Jan 2015, 17:27 PM
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Australian magic put hit it on the nail
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van Voort
11 Jan 2015, 20:48 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 13:12 PMy3ivan
its OP right now due to Ostheer "call-in no-teching"commander. Other than that its a fragile tank.


And yet despite the fact that almost everything in this commander is unique (A Grens, Meach Assault Group, STUG-E) and it should be reasonably clear by the time these things come out what is going to happen people are still acting surprised by it

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Mr. Someguy
11 Jan 2015, 21:18 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 11:55 AMAustralian Magic
All you need to do is to switch tech cost with building cost but I think it's too hard for relic to do this :foreveralone:

Would have worked in the old meta, but not anymore. Teching is simply more expensive than USF and OKW.


jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 13:12 PMy3ivan
its OP right now due to Ostheer "call-in no-teching"commander. Other than that its a fragile tank.

Great news, it was actually designed to be a "no tech" Commander. That's why it comes with Infantry, AT, AI Vehicle, Artillery, and Heavy Vehicle.
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elchino7
11 Jan 2015, 21:31 PM
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Stug-E is fine, it's just another example of the game state.
No teching into Callins. Stug E is just a stopgap that let's you stay ingame till you can get the Tiger.
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sir muffin
11 Jan 2015, 22:41 PM
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remember when the stug is was so fuckin useless? i never saw one until this patch, relic, wtf. you have like 10 RTS titles to your company name, learn to balence!
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ElSlayer
11 Jan 2015, 23:29 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 21:18 PMMr. Someguy

Great news, it was actually designed to be a "no tech" Commander. That's why it comes with Infantry, AT, AI Vehicle, Artillery, and Heavy Vehicle.

What's the difference between "it is OP" and "it is OP and designed to be OP", especially when you are on recieving end?
(note, that I personally don't think that Mech Assault is OP)
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Australian Magic
11 Jan 2015, 23:31 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 21:18 PMMr. Someguy

Would have worked in the old meta, but not anymore. Teching is simply more expensive than USF and OKW.



Yes, but such solution could open new options like Panthers, Brummabars and PzWerfers in 1v1 since you don't need to pay tons of resources for tech, just for buildings you can skip tier 3 without huge investment.
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Ossy
13 Jan 2015, 13:08 PM
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Stug E needs a rof nerf. That's all.
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SlaYoU
13 Jan 2015, 13:45 PM
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So many crybabies. Now the only doctrine that keeps Wehr somehow viable is under the whiners' spotlight. My only concern about this unit / doctrine is that it pidgeonholed the whole faction into playing it just to remain competitive. Yes please, nerf Stug E, but buff Wehrmacht as a whole + buff every other Wehr doctrine, ty.
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GustavGans
13 Jan 2015, 14:00 PM
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Stug E OP sure... What are you guys smoking?!

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ungodlike
13 Jan 2015, 14:12 PM
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Stug E is as OP as the SU76...
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13 Jan 2015, 16:22 PM
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Its not just the stug E. I find this doctrine as a whole a bit ridiculous. 4 call-ins for differnt stages of the game and off-map arty... lel

As USF I really dont have problems agaist that. You should have a sherman around the same time as stuge E hits the field and captain + stuart also wrecks it. As soviets I just spam the shit out of guards motor with 0 tech. Button the stug E and at nade it to death. 85s and mark target will handle the tiger.
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RMMLz
13 Jan 2015, 21:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2015, 14:12 PMungodlike
Stug E is as OP as the SU76...


Hah, I see what you did there. Good point.

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VonMecha
13 Jan 2015, 21:39 PM
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You want to nerf the stug e lol. We all saw how it worked before and it was useless. A tank that was as fragile as a half trak, does negligible damage to vehicles that cant kill infantry very well, with 80 percent costs of a tank. This thing is on par with a t34s anti infantry capability, so how is it op? If it cant kill infantry as well as a t34 whats the point of it even existing?
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JHeartless
13 Jan 2015, 22:03 PM
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StugE? You mean the one that can die to an M15 AA HT? Or the ONLY thing in game a Stuart can actually kill?
jump backJump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 21:57 PMREforever
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
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13 Jan 2015, 23:20 PM
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spam.r33k
13 Jan 2015, 23:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jan 2015, 17:20 PMBananainpajamas
guys i had an at gun... im just complaining really on how you can get such an effective ai tank for no tech cost and then go strait too tiger... it can also stun any tank and when it is supported with a pak its hard to counter... i tired spotting my at gun with cons and they would get wiped in 1 or 2 shots... i literally have had multiple games and when i try to counter with t34 soon later there is a damn tiger that comes out because he didnt spend any fuel on teching i just find this commander lets you get away with a very effective low tech game and it is very annoying..


it has 55 pen. with target weakpoint 110.
it bounces a lot unless you hit the rear armor
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Katitof
13 Jan 2015, 23:24 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2015, 14:12 PMungodlike
Stug E is as OP as the SU76...

If that was the true we'd have about 50 threads to nerf SU-76 a day.
jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2015, 22:03 PMJHeartless
StugE? You mean the one that can die to an M15 AA HT?

I can't even imagine how bad you have to be to achieve that result.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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