The imbalance between Allied and Axis Infantry Anti-tank

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2014, 05:08 AM__deleted__

The more I play against OKW, the more I find the idea of removing or nerfing Schrecks unappealing.
OKW has enough of a problem as is in dealing with medium armor, and I have not seen a Volks/Ober blob ever being a problem at a solid level of play. Since OKW has no nondoctrinal snare, you can pretty much run over/push around 2 squads of Volks with a medium largely risk free provided decent micro. In general, counterblobs/Allied elite infantry or really any sort of AOE weapons deal with Volks fairly easily.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 04:31 AMNapalm

Shocking news but the 1v1 game mode does not accurately represent the entire gaming population. Way cool statics non the less.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 03:46 AM__deleted__

Edit: Marco, as to why, well, ain't that obvious? I might as well ask as to why ie. only one faction (Soviets) has useful snipers, why only the Allied factions have useful artillery, why only OKW can truck push, why only Sovs/USF can pull light vehicle timing pushes, why only one faction (OH) has no elite infantry, etc.. These factors are weighed against each other, the factions operate fundamentally differently, and that makes balancing obviously delicate.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 02:20 AMAsunaKirigaya

regarding the asymtrical balance...

german players still claim that everything is balanced because the allied equip and tanks are cheaper. yes they are cheaper but they are not cheap enough that you could "outproduce" the germans. even with the t34 cheaper you will still be able to field only 1 t34 while they can field 1 panzer 4. and with the panther its even more horrible. 2 t34 are needed to kill a panther but still the panther will win sometimes. the 2 t34 cost 200 fuel while the panther costs 175. so the panther is cheaper then 2 t34 but still can kill both of them sometimes.

and in late game allies wouldnt have an advantage in numbers because of the pop cap. most of the time both sites can field the same amount of infantry and tanks. and in such a situation the axis will always win.

so the current situation is, that the allies will only win if they are more skilled. on an even skill level the german players will win.

to balance the game completely and stop any more balance discussion they would have to reduce the cost and popcap of every allied unit that they would be able to win against the axis with superior numbers, ofc not that much that they would win everytime.



i hope you understand my bad english lol

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 10:24 AMAustralian Magic

Simple question for guys who think that game is balanced and OKW has bad early - game.
How to counter Stormpio + Kubel + Truck pushing out of the cover.
Ta da! #balance #earlygamealliesadvantage

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 10:29 AMKatitof

Semoisky summer fun.
I counter that by not going where he camps and praying he is an idiot. So far worked once.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 02:30 AMMarcoRossolini

Why does one side get extremely good infantry AT weaponry and the other does not?

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 04:31 AMNapalm

Shocking news but the 1v1 game mode does not accurately represent the entire gaming population. Way cool statics non the less.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 11:14 AM__deleted__

I'll spare you the "shocking news" part, but 1s and to a lesser degree 2s are all that matter in terms of balance and therefore actual competition. That is a statement of fact, btw, not necessarily an endorsement, even though I personally prefer it that way. 3s and 4s have their very own rules and of course demand some strategic thinking and micro as well, however, its pretty generic RTS fare and has little to do with the facets that make the CoH franchise idiosyncratically attractive. Fact is, you cannot balance a game like CoH for both 1s and 4s, and Relic has obviously chosen to attach priority to the former. Suits me, but I can understand its frustrating for guys that have other preferences.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2014, 07:51 AMMarcoRossolini

Some of the things you've just asserted are hilariously untrue though.

Ostheer has no elite infantry? What about Pgrens?

only Sovs/USF can pull light vehicle timing pushes? What about the Kubel? Or more seriously, Puma or Flakhalftrack.

Only one side has useful artillery? What about the Stuka zu Fuss?

Indeed, half of what you've said there is at the root of many faction's balance issues (OKW truck pushing, Why do we need it? It's the height of unrealistic stupidity)