My problem with OKW and USF

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2014, 23:30 PMSeeker

I believe it is because they are horrible without schrecks, they kind of need them to get vet fast.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2014, 21:34 PMKatitof

From vet1 onwards they perform better then conscripts.

Explain this.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2014, 22:28 PMJaigen

Last time i checked volks dont have access to molotovs oorah or at nades.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2014, 00:07 AMEnkidu

Yeah, just better nades, panzershreks and vet 5.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2014, 08:35 AMJaigen

Better nades is dependant on skill.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2014, 08:35 AMJaigen

people stop saying vet 4 and 5 because even for volks its fairly hard to reach that rank in 1 vs 1 let alone other units.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2014, 08:35 AMJaigen

Better nades is dependant on skill. if somebody is not paying attention the potato smasher is indeed batter but on my level most people will dodge it. it makes molotov just way better for denying your opponent cover. shrek and at nades are about equal in utility. and ffs people stop saying vet 4 and 5 because even for volks its fairly hard to reach that rank in 1 vs 1 let alone other units.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2014, 23:30 PMSeeker

I believe it is because they are horrible without schrecks, they kind of need them to get vet fast.

Jump back to quoted post13 Oct 2014, 00:20 AMThe_Courier

Meh, they still get a good grenade, and their DPS is not much lower than conscript's while they are vastly more durable. Shrecks also allow them to vet very easily, while vet 3 conscripts are a rarity unless they got PPShs.

Plus, it's not like OKW lacks for powerful non-doctrinal infantry. Soviets only have Penals, and they need to forgo Maxims and AT guns to get em.

Jump back to quoted post12 Oct 2014, 18:31 PMEnkidu

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound bitter but cons suck right now at any point past like the 5 minute mark and it just kind of bugs me when people say or imply that volks are worse. Volks scale pretty darn well and cons don't.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2014, 23:53 PMDakkaIsMagic

50.Cal needs to be in the first building for USF. That would solve alota things.

Jump back to quoted post13 Oct 2014, 00:45 AMSoheil

u shouldnt compare cons vs volks, soviets starting=combined army(maxim mortar m3 sniper zis......)but okw doesnt have these units to rush.main usefull unit in starting vs soviet just volks(kubel weak vs maxim or m3) sturmpio(weak vs maxim or sniper) if volks become weaker then soviet will eat okw easily.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2014, 18:53 PMkafrion

okw has the only t1 at unit which gets very good with vet and is perfect aghainst m3s and the like as for snipers they can be suppressed by kubeljesus or flanked and cut to pieces by sturmpios

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2014, 15:36 PMZombiFrancis

USF is blobby not because you build a bunch of rifles, it's that to tech, you have to build MORE infantry squads.

You build your infantry force, then you have a bunch of other infantry squads that are REQUIRED to field more advanced units. Only the LT comes out early enough to potentially replace a rifleman squad. The early game necessitates using manpower effectively, and the USF is good at this.

It's as USF enters the midgame that they are forced to keep churning out infantry to get any sort of tech. That's when they're left with this unwieldly blob.