This machine gun is USA's only HMG that comes in at a price of 270 MP which is a bit higher than the average HMGs. It has a 4 man squad which is the same as the MG42 as an example.
Yet, i feel like if this HMG performs rather poorly for its price, it feels like if it has lower damage output than the Dshk and maybe even the Maxim, but the fire-cone is good and Its suppression seems decent as well.
In my opinion the MG34 is a better "HMG" and it comes in at 210 MP... the only thing the M2HB has over it is light vehicle damage, but i dont buy an HMG because i wanna kill an Sdkdz 222 or a halftrack, i buy it because i wanna defend an area from infantry attacks.
So all in all, i think that the M2HB should be tuned up a bit or have its price reduced a bit, i dont think it peforms like a 270 MP HMG.
The American M2HB HMG
24 Aug 2014, 21:30 PM
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24 Aug 2014, 21:33 PM
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Well, its certainly miles and heaps better then DSHK for the price.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Aug 2014, 21:35 PM
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Well, its certainly miles and heaps better then DSHK for the price.Considering its fire-cone i fully agree, but talking pure damage output and suppression capabilities i think its somewhat lacking.
Anyways, what do you think about the M2HB and its current price (not to mention that it comes in later than the MG34 as an example)
24 Aug 2014, 21:37 PM
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J8eWu0XRL4I8H37Z2TAt9twjrY3E-9J5ovHF_J42sxk/edit#gid=0
the 50 cal peaks out at the highest dps of all mgs. its time to pin and suppress are better than the german mgs. it also has the best splash suppression at near and far ranges (germans mgs excel at mid range).
it also has the fastest reload time of any mg, making it the best in buildings.
the 50 cal peaks out at the highest dps of all mgs. its time to pin and suppress are better than the german mgs. it also has the best splash suppression at near and far ranges (germans mgs excel at mid range).
it also has the fastest reload time of any mg, making it the best in buildings.
24 Aug 2014, 21:38 PM
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Well, once flanked its 100% dead because of crew size(4 men with 25% received accuracy penalty against weapons designed to kill 5-6 men squads) and lack of MG42/34 teleporting capability, but weapon in itself performs fine.
I'd get it over DSHK any day and its still better then maxim due to cone and actual damage. Not sure about its AoE suppression, never bothered to check it.
I'd get it over DSHK any day and its still better then maxim due to cone and actual damage. Not sure about its AoE suppression, never bothered to check it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Aug 2014, 21:39 PM
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J8eWu0XRL4I8H37Z2TAt9twjrY3E-9J5ovHF_J42sxk/edit#gid=0Thanks for the stat sheet, i might just be using it wrong or something, i just dont see alot of success with the infantry based one.
the 50 cal peaks out at the highest dps of all mgs. its time to pin and suppress are better than the german mgs. it also has the best splash suppression at near and far ranges (germans mgs excel at mid range).
it also has the fastest reload time of any mg, making it the best in buildings.
24 Aug 2014, 22:04 PM
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Remove the received acc mod. That's the main issue with it. Worst bug fix ever.
24 Aug 2014, 22:11 PM
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Any one else think the mg34 is too cheap for how good it is?
24 Aug 2014, 22:27 PM
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Sure, but it's not a major issue. It used to be pretty useless until they buffed it.
24 Aug 2014, 22:54 PM
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Well, once flanked its 100% dead because of crew size(4 men with 25% received accuracy penalty against weapons designed to kill 5-6 men squads) and lack of MG42/34 teleporting capability, but weapon in itself performs fine.
I'd get it over DSHK any day and its still better then maxim due to cone and actual damage. Not sure about its AoE suppression, never bothered to check it.
AoE suppression is amazing!
24 Aug 2014, 23:11 PM
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I've no qualms with the M2HB except for its rather bland fire sound. Am I shooting a heavy machine gun or a muffled sump pump?
25 Aug 2014, 00:03 AM
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I've no qualms with the M2HB except for its rather bland fire sound. Am I shooting a heavy machine gun or a muffled sump pump?
haha, totally agree. It sounds so limp dick it's pathetic. the mah deuce is supposed to be a beast, but the same goes for a lot of weapons that sound so sad.
It needs that received accuracy penalty removed. I usually regret building it and never see anyone else use it much either.
25 Aug 2014, 00:43 AM
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I'd pretty much never get a .50cal team against ostheer due to rifle grenades and its increased received accuracy. As for how it actually performs when setup, its an amazing weapon. Although the fact they die so easily and the model that holds the actual weapon does a 360 on the spot before actually planting it down (why?) really take away from what would otherwise be a great unit.
The MG34 is over performing at 210mp, if the MG34 was to be kept in its current state, it needs to be at the very least, equaled to the price of .50cal weapon teams at 270mp. They're better than MG42 in their current state, but I'm sure most know this.
The MG34 is over performing at 210mp, if the MG34 was to be kept in its current state, it needs to be at the very least, equaled to the price of .50cal weapon teams at 270mp. They're better than MG42 in their current state, but I'm sure most know this.
25 Aug 2014, 01:48 AM
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Translation: Remove every Advantage from the US Player.
How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
There are serious language barriers or reading comprehension issues here I think.
25 Aug 2014, 02:37 AM
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American HMG takes longer to supress than the MG34 in a vast majority of situations. (i can explain why if ppl care)
With AP rounds the MG34 is a very effective light vehicle counter(it can kill easily), where as the Browning is just slightly more effective than other small arms fire.
While being more effective at supressing, killing vehicles(post vet 1), and having bettter survivability(based on faction DPS) i believe this makes the MG34 the the better unit...for 70 manpower less.
M2s only advantage is higher base dps but machine guns aren't usually relied upon for their damage, its the 3 factors above that are most important for performance in my opinion
btw -> M2 costs 280 manpower from tier 2
(i compare it to the 34 because i use them the most often of any mgs)
With AP rounds the MG34 is a very effective light vehicle counter(it can kill easily), where as the Browning is just slightly more effective than other small arms fire.
While being more effective at supressing, killing vehicles(post vet 1), and having bettter survivability(based on faction DPS) i believe this makes the MG34 the the better unit...for 70 manpower less.
M2s only advantage is higher base dps but machine guns aren't usually relied upon for their damage, its the 3 factors above that are most important for performance in my opinion
btw -> M2 costs 280 manpower from tier 2
(i compare it to the 34 because i use them the most often of any mgs)
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25 Aug 2014, 04:57 AM
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I rarely build them, honestly. I generally find that there's a bit of an issue with blobs running at it head-on and still managing to kill it because of how squishy the crew is.
25 Aug 2014, 05:40 AM
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This is a bit off topic but the mg34 captured by usf is something to be feared as it keeps a six man crew ;-)
I think the 50.cal could do with a price change to 240 in it current state, the currect price doesnt feel like its justified as its not really better than a mg42 which is cheaper.
I think the 50.cal could do with a price change to 240 in it current state, the currect price doesnt feel like its justified as its not really better than a mg42 which is cheaper.
25 Aug 2014, 05:53 AM
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obersoldaten laugh at my .50 cals
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25 Aug 2014, 08:36 AM
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obersoldaten laugh at my .50 cals
Obersoldaten laugh at anything that doesn't use threads to move.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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