Official Obersoldaten OP Thread

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 02:18 AMAchtAchter

No. Just no. Shock troops were an early call in and were effectively only countered by tanks(or German snipers) . They were destroying armored cars without loosing a model and just shitted over every cover mechanics due their armour.
Obersoldaten need the t4 truck, which is a expensive fuel investion. Thus they come in mid game but can be countered by t1 units.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 05:02 AMOmega_Warrior

The only real problem I have with them is the retreat killing modifiers. It's just wrong.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 04:58 AMelchino7

I should had rephrase that: the comments here makes me remember the old shocktroops threads.
222 had a really lame DPS back then so it was hardcounter with FHT. MG42 also countered them (with 1 unit support to not get lolsmoked in the face).

• Snipers can pick them apart and bleed 50 manpower per shot. A well supported sniper will keep Obersoldaten in check.
  
• Any fast Tier 3 armored unit will limit Obersoldaten effectiveness. Quad M5, T-70, T-34/76. Take your pick.
  
• Shock troops smash Obersoldaten at close range. Use ambush tactics and light of sight blocking terrain to close the distance. Smoke grenades can also earn you space.
  
• PPSH Conscripts can also beat this unit but will require good ambush tactics.
  
• Maxims can offer a soft counter with suppression but the Maxim will require support.
  

• Paratrooper squads with the M1918 LMG upgrade can fight evenly with Obersoldaten if not outmatch them. The Thompson variant will defeat them with ease if they ambush them
  
• You can get an Anti-Air Halftrack out from Lieutenant Tech in 6 minutes or less. It is very easy to access light armor before Obersoldaten hit the field.
  
• If you go Captain then you can use the robust Stuart Light Tank.
  
• Obersoldaten get suppressed as easy as any other unit. The .50 Caliber HMG is the best MG in the game for suppression and damage. It can control Obersoldaten and force retreats.
  
• Late game you can use M8A1 Howitzer Carriages to deal with Obersoldaten from a safe range. The M4 Sherman with HE rounds can also kill this squad in a matter of a few shots.
  
  I feel like there are options available at all stages of the game to fight Obersoldaten. You have to understand the match up.
  
  Obersoldaten are exceptionally strong in their niche. They are good at long and medium range against infantry. That's all they're good at.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2014, 23:21 PMKovuTalli

People whine about Anti-infantry, Infantry counters. Fun thing is, OkW Have no reliable Vehicle Anti-infantry, no the luchs does not count as it is super random, it either goes on a rampage, or tickles squads and dies just as fast as a Scout car (besides the immunity to small arms).

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 05:44 AMcoh2player

The 20mm HT is fragile, but performs very well- I suspect even better than the ostwind.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2014, 22:14 PMKreatiir

There should not be a unit that is 'the ultimate infantry counter'.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 05:28 AMCorp.Shephard

I think people are overreacting with Obersoldaten.

They have no AT weapons and cost 50 manpower to reinforce per model lost. They're expensive and even when rushed can only be brought out around ~10 minutes into the game when light armor is easily available.

What are good counters to Obersoldaten?

Soviets:

• Snipers can pick them apart and bleed 50 manpower per shot. A well supported sniper will keep Obersoldaten in check.
  
• Any fast Tier 3 armored unit will limit Obersoldaten effectiveness. Quad M5, T-70, T-34/76. Take your pick.
  
• Shock troops smash Obersoldaten at close range. Use ambush tactics and light of sight blocking terrain to close the distance. Smoke grenades can also earn you space.
  
• PPSH Conscripts can also beat this unit but will require good ambush tactics.
  
• Maxims can offer a soft counter with suppression but the Maxim will require support.
  

Americans:

• Paratrooper squads with the M1918 LMG upgrade can fight evenly with Obersoldaten if not outmatch them. The Thompson variant will defeat them with ease if they ambush them
  
• You can get an Anti-Air Halftrack out from Lieutenant Tech in 6 minutes or less. It is very easy to access light armor before Obersoldaten hit the field.
  
• If you go Captain then you can use the robust Stuart Light Tank.
  
• Obersoldaten get suppressed as easy as any other unit. The .50 Caliber HMG is the best MG in the game for suppression and damage. It can control Obersoldaten and force retreats.
  
• Late game you can use M8A1 Howitzer Carriages to deal with Obersoldaten from a safe range. The M4 Sherman with HE rounds can also kill this squad in a matter of a few shots.
  
  I feel like there are options available at all stages of the game to fight Obersoldaten. You have to understand the match up.
  
  Obersoldaten are exceptionally strong in their niche. They are good at long and medium range against infantry. That's all they're good at.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 05:28 AMCorp.Shephard

I think people are overreacting with Obersoldaten.

They have no AT weapons and cost 50 manpower to reinforce per model lost. They're expensive and even when rushed can only be brought out around ~10 minutes into the game when light armor is easily available.

What are good counters to Obersoldaten?

Soviets:

• Snipers can pick them apart and bleed 50 manpower per shot. A well supported sniper will keep Obersoldaten in check.
  
• Any fast Tier 3 armored unit will limit Obersoldaten effectiveness. Quad M5, T-70, T-34/76. Take your pick.
  
• Shock troops smash Obersoldaten at close range. Use ambush tactics and light of sight blocking terrain to close the distance. Smoke grenades can also earn you space.
  
• PPSH Conscripts can also beat this unit but will require good ambush tactics.
  
• Maxims can offer a soft counter with suppression but the Maxim will require support.
  

Americans:

• Paratrooper squads with the M1918 LMG upgrade can fight evenly with Obersoldaten if not outmatch them. The Thompson variant will defeat them with ease if they ambush them
  
• You can get an Anti-Air Halftrack out from Lieutenant Tech in 6 minutes or less. It is very easy to access light armor before Obersoldaten hit the field.
  
• If you go Captain then you can use the robust Stuart Light Tank.
  
• Obersoldaten get suppressed as easy as any other unit. The .50 Caliber HMG is the best MG in the game for suppression and damage. It can control Obersoldaten and force retreats.
  
• Late game you can use M8A1 Howitzer Carriages to deal with Obersoldaten from a safe range. The M4 Sherman with HE rounds can also kill this squad in a matter of a few shots.
  
  I feel like there are options available at all stages of the game to fight Obersoldaten. You have to understand the match up.
  
  Obersoldaten are exceptionally strong in their niche. They are good at long and medium range against infantry. That's all they're good at.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 05:08 AMbraciszek

Thats one thing i can live without - the rest is counterable and bearable.You get more damage inflicted on you if you try to run. Er... what exactly is that trying to prove about OKW?

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 11:34 AM__deleted__

The add-on's download barely finished and there is allready an OP acusation topic. LOL this is to good. You guys are incredible, my word. I realy hope nobody take these topics creators to seriously before few weeks of game play pass.