People thought relic was going to close down 2018

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 07:59 AMTheMachine

I'm glad AOE4 sold a lot and that it's well-received but that doesn't necessarily mean it was successful. It's pretty clear the budget was enormous, even the marketing budget alone was clearly huge. So it's hard to say if it was a financial success or not because game budgets aren't public.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 13:17 PMBasedSecretary

I completely agree with OP.

Converting AoEII fans to AoEIV was a huge achievement and showed that Relic can still give to RTS.

I trully trully wish that this treatment is reserved for COH3. WW2 is a huge genre, and few RTS ever got it right.

COH for me got it the best.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 15:44 PMHannibal

They didn't really convert the AoE2 base though. The DE version has only slightly decreasing player numbers. It does not explain where those ~20k AoE4 players come from. These must, for the most part, be players that are either new to AoE or older gamers that decided to pick the game up.

-Maybe you are right, I don't know. I haven't touched AOE in years due to being very disappointed by the remasters.

I think CoH2 will remain after CoH3 is released.

-I sure hope not.

I think the Mediterranean theatre is interesting, but probably not as widely known as the western and especially eastern front.
CoH3 however has quite an advantage over AoE4 though. AoE4 had to somehow outperform a VERY highly acclaimed and polished AoE2. CoH3 on the other hand has to outperform "only" CoH2, which still lacks a lot of features and fixes.

-Very true. COH2 to me is very dear but lacks a lot of fundamental stuff. It's primarily due to love by its fans that it still gets played.
That's were CoH3 can really shine. I hope Relic realizes that.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 15:44 PMHannibal

CoH3 on the other hand has to outperform "only" CoH2, which still lacks a lot of features and fixes.
That's were CoH3 can really shine. I hope Relic realizes that.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 21:16 PMIntoTheRain

The only thing CoH3 is bringing to the table right now is QoL improvements. In every other aspect CoH2 is superior.

Best case scenario right now is it takes the CoH2 path and slowly turns itself into something decent in 5 years.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 21:27 PMaerafield

Where exactly is CoH3 inferior to CoH2 in an area that cannot be explained with CoH3 being in super early pre-alpha stage? I would like to know


The only thing I can come up with right now is moving a step backwards with the current implementation of the call-in tank shit

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 21:31 PMIntoTheRain

Well for starters we need to quit pretending its pre-alpha. The game is less than a year from launch. It should have already (or more likely already has) started beta.

What you see now is going to be very close to the final product. (especially since we have been getting updates for 6 months and nothing of note has changed in any of the reveals)

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 21:39 PMaerafield

The game is *planned* to go live in "late 2022", there is no official release date and the launch could easily be postponed to 2023.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 21:39 PMaerafield

Apparently there is a rule now saying "software that is 1 year away from launch must be in beta state"

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 21:39 PMaerafield

And nothing has really changed since the SP test in July? Are you sure we were playing the same build?

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 22:16 PMIntoTheRain

which the company can't afford to do...so its launching on time regardless of what state its in.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 22:16 PMIntoTheRain

Tell me what other game was in 'pre alpha' state less than a year from launch? Tell me what decent game you played that had less than 6 months of beta testing? Tell me what game successfully went from pre-alpha to full on beta in 6 months? Cause I sure as hell can't think of any.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 22:16 PMIntoTheRain

Well lets see. The factions are still the same set of units in SP and the faction previews despite being heavily homogonized. The factions themselves still have no faction specific mechanics. The gameplay itself is still an attempt to copy CoH1 despite CoH2 having 4x the playerbase. They have shown no new ideas that weren't present in the previous two games outside of breach, which they are touting as being a gamechanging mechanic despite it being little more than a simple unit mechanic. Literally the only new concept is moving the Campaign into a Total War style system, which itself is a copy of the Rome: Total War campaign.

Changing some unit stats around isn't what I would consider major progress toward designing a good game when the game has so many deeper problems.

I'm increasingly convinced the game is nothing more than a quick, soulless cash grab. Its only chance for longevity will depend on how easy it is to mod.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 21:31 PMIntoTheRain

Well for starters we need to quit pretending its pre-alpha. The game is less than a year from launch. It should have already (or more likely already has) started beta.

What you see now is going to be very close to the final product. (especially since we have been getting updates for 6 months and nothing of note has changed in any of the reveals)

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 15:44 PMHannibal

They didn't really convert the AoE2 base though. The DE version has only slightly decreasing player numbers. It does not explain where those ~20k AoE4 players come from. These must, for the most part, be players that are either new to AoE or older gamers that decided to pick the game up.

I think CoH2 will remain after CoH3 is released. I think the Mediterranean theatre is interesting, but probably not as widely known as the western and especially eastern front.
CoH3 however has quite an advantage over AoE4 though. AoE4 had to somehow outperform a VERY highly acclaimed and polished AoE2. CoH3 on the other hand has to outperform "only" CoH2, which still lacks a lot of features and fixes.
That's were CoH3 can really shine. I hope Relic realizes that.