Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 15:48 PMgeneral_gawain

Vipper showed the real stats. Atm in the monthly breakdown there is a disparity of 6,5% between winrate of OKW and highest allied faction in winrate. The difference to lowest allied fation in winrate is 11,4%. At games with Players above Top200 the disparity rises to 11,7% (best allied faction) to 13,4% (worst allied faction).

I personally think it should be okay if OKW perfomces somehow worse in teamgames than in live.
The only difficulty is to hit the right spots, you have to weaken mechanisms that are strong in teamgames without influencing 1vs1 stats which are a lot closer to beeing balanced.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 14:39 PMKlement Pikhtura

OKW has Stuka rocket arty which it excellent in dealing with team weapons. It is far from hot in 1v1, in my opinion, but in team games it is absolutely brutal. OKW also has more tools then OST, like late game elite infantry, 60 range TD and stock super heavy that can become the best super heavy with Elite Armor doctrine.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 16:02 PMgeneral_gawain

I do think the walking stukka is the biggest problem. OKW having a stock heavy tank or nondoc elite don't really bothers me. In a 3vs3 or 4vs4 one player goes for 2-3 walking stukas while the others tech up for tanks. If you push an early stuka in a 1vs1 its strength is totally nullified by the huge delay of your first tank. Not so in team games, you don't get punished there, just build another one and coordinate with your mates. The crowded laney maps are a wipefest for stuka. It comes at a time were both sides rely heavily on team weapons and infantry combat. It comes long before Katjusha and Panzerwerfer and miles ahead of Land mattress, which gets countered by walking stuka by the way. It is the combination of wiping potential and timing that makes it brutal.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 14:36 PMjagd wölfe

Having a doctrine with a 250/1 or the 251 open top halftrack that OKW should already have in the game files would be nice

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 14:53 PMTiger Baron

Agreed.

A 250/251 Halftrack and the StuG III/StuG III E are the only units left with dedicated voice lines for the OKW that haven't been utilized yet.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 14:53 PMTiger Baron

Agreed.

A 250/251 Halftrack and the StuG III/StuG III E are the only units left with dedicated voice lines for the OKW that haven't been utilized yet.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 13:04 PMZyllen

This patch is going to be terrible for the OKW .the last few options to deal with mortar and artillery spam is now gone. this will make the okw completely noncompetitive in team games

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 14:36 PMjagd wölfe

Having a doctrine with a 250/1 or the 251 open top halftrack that OKW should already have in the game files would be nice

Edit: this must be it



Does anybody know if the model is finished and working?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2021, 03:18 AMOlfin

This is very cool please balance team add the 251 open top halftrack there is no reason to not includ it all the original voice lines and assets are available.

Edit: it could be added to the fortification doctrine instead of For the Fatherland or ot the spic ope instead of the Sturm officer and it could include Sturm officer inside it with extra cost, OKW lake transport units and this will be great addition.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2021, 07:34 AMPatFenis

Gotta love having a defacto waste of a commander ability while the counterpart of the ST, the AVRE, is always a good investment.

It would not be so horrible if the unit was designed differently, not being a shot gun unit but rather a middle range artillery piece.

The biggest problem imo. is the long wind up + being a casemate.

I get the idea of units being situational, but using the ST effectively seems like a dream. Similar to ever gaining the riegel AT-mine on the 223.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2021, 07:16 AMSander93

it can be a really good unit. On flat maps of course.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2021, 08:35 AMTiger Baron

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Jump back to quoted post1 May 2021, 08:35 AMTiger Baron

The powers that be say no because reasons.

I think it looks and works perfectly fine as shown from the many different angles but as always some nit picky excuse will be brought up as to why it's just simply impossible to do or add.

As it works in the mod right now it cannot move while reloading which is fine by me, if they bump up the cost to something like 200 fuel, keep the limit to only 1, maybe give it an automatic reload for both a QoL thing and balance so it can't relocate after a shot has been fired to balance it out, give it perhaps a longer reload time as well as a "lock down" ability similar to the PE Hummel where it for example can reload faster and has greater range but at the cost of a larger delay before it could move again so there's some sort of counter play there or something like that.

Basically my point is that there's a lot of ways to go at it and play around to balance it but yes, not gonna happen.

Anyway here's the link to the mod for whoever wants to try it out for themselves: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=811084352