USF Commander Revamp 2021

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 12:24 PMVipper

Airborne Company

General:
An interesting commander that lost some of its appeal with changes to USF tech.

(Can someone pls decide if we the spelling Airborne or Airbourn half the unit abilities use one name the rest the other.)

Suggestions:

Pathfinders
Once more the unit try to be too many things. The unit comes with 2 elite carbine (that should not be available this early) 2 "snipe" carbines that make the have high close DPS even though it supposed to be a "scoped" unit.

Imo the unit should have its XP value increased currently its price and XP value are far apart and the unit gains veterancy very fast.

The unit should have a clear role as support unit, change the weapons/ or weapon profiles to have a mid to far profile and thus behave similar to JLI. (Replace the scoped carbine with springfield_sniper_rifle_mp if possible). Than lower the cost to 240 and the reinforcement cost accordingly.

Replace the passive critical with a timed ability possibly even increasing the range of the scoped weapons so that unit can serve as an antisniper unit.

Beacons now a seperate ability:
The beacons could be used to get add more dept and become closer to the soviet counter part. Add cost of 100-150 MP "Airborne Rally Points" make the detection a timed ability and add the weapons airdrops for HMG/ATG freeing one commander slot. One could experiment adding a timed aura reducing the target size of paras.

Paradrop .50cal M2HB Heavy Machine Gun

Paradrop M1 57mm Anti-Tank Gun
Both abilities moved to beacons.

Paratroopers
A goon unit that could imo use a couple of changes.

LMG:
"Suppressing Fire".
Add icon on portrait to show when it active.

The CD of the ability is simply too low (become even lower with vet 1).
Increase the CD and change the ability and make the ability scale with veterancy instead of getting lower CD.

Change the ability from aimed to timed so that one does not have to waster in clicking one enemy unit.

Possibly make the provide bonuses only when stationary.

Smg:
"Tactical Assault"
Increase the CD and change the ability and make the ability scale with veterancy instead of getting lower CD.

The use of ability imo is not communicated to player effectively (especially having to move to benefit if I remember correctly) while the design of killing unit on retreat paths and is not good for the game. If the ability is changed to provide durability and increase movement speed it will make the easier to use with good results.

P-47 Rocket Strike
The ability is not very consistent.

Possible change could include different accuracy value for left and right rocket to reduce RNG.
or/and
Planes that have HP instead of critical death to reduce RNG.
or/and
Planes become harder to shoot down but suffer "suppression" when under fire form AA
or/and
the addition of 2 extra planes that appear in different timing that do a single pass and are invulnerable so that the ability still does something even in large modes where there are allot AA.

The extra slot could be used for:
Smoke bomb plane
or
a strafing run plane
or
bombing plane
or
if one want to add a fuel ability (due to high mu cost) oen could add "version" of Ostheer "Breakthrough" improving the speed of vehicles for a fuel cost representing armored vehicles rushing to support paras.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 18:19 PMpvtgooner

The classic "vipper creates a thread for USF balance changes just to suggest nerfs to everything" post. I missed them during your week long ban.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 18:33 PMVipper

Because adding an extra ability is actually a nerf according to you.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 19:03 PMpvtgooner

Yes its the classic bait and switch

"wow look at these shiny new abilities!!!"

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 19:03 PMpvtgooner

*nerfs paras, pfs and some weird ass suggestions for the loiter that cant decide if it wants it to be better or actually more ineffective*

but oh hurray, a smoke drop ability.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 12:24 PMVipper

Airborne Company

General:
An interesting commander that lost some of its appeal with changes to USF tech.

(Can someone pls decide if we the spelling Airborne or Airbourn half the unit abilities use one name the rest the other.)

Suggestions:

Pathfinders
Once more the unit try to be too many things. The unit comes with 2 elite carbine (that should not be available this early) 2 "snipe" carbines that make the have high close DPS even though it supposed to be a "scoped" unit.

Imo the unit should have its XP value increased currently its price and XP value are far apart and the unit gains veterancy very fast.

The unit should have a clear role as support unit, change the weapons/ or weapon profiles to have a mid to far profile and thus behave similar to JLI. (Replace the scoped carbine with springfield_sniper_rifle_mp if possible). Than lower the cost to 240 and the reinforcement cost accordingly.

Replace the passive critical with a timed ability possibly even increasing the range of the scoped weapons so that unit can serve as an antisniper unit.

Beacons now a seperate ability:
The beacons could be used to get add more dept and become closer to the soviet counter part. Add cost of 100-150 MP "Airborne Rally Points" make the detection a timed ability and add the weapons airdrops for HMG/ATG freeing one commander slot. One could experiment adding a timed aura reducing the target size of paras.

Paradrop .50cal M2HB Heavy Machine Gun

Paradrop M1 57mm Anti-Tank Gun
Both abilities moved to beacons.

Paratroopers
A goon unit that could imo use a couple of changes.

LMG:
"Suppressing Fire".
Add icon on portrait to show when it active.

The CD of the ability is simply too low (become even lower with vet 1).
Increase the CD and change the ability and make the ability scale with veterancy instead of getting lower CD.

Change the ability from aimed to timed so that one does not have to waster in clicking one enemy unit.

Possibly make the provide bonuses only when stationary.

Smg:
"Tactical Assault"
Increase the CD and change the ability and make the ability scale with veterancy instead of getting lower CD.

The use of ability imo is not communicated to player effectively (especially having to move to benefit if I remember correctly) while the design of killing unit on retreat paths and is not good for the game(lolwat). If the ability is changed to provide durability and increase movement speed it will make the easier to use with good results.

P-47 Rocket Strike
The ability is not very consistent.

Possible change could include different accuracy value for left and right rocket to reduce RNG.
or/and
Planes that have HP instead of critical death to reduce RNG.
or/and
Planes become harder to shoot down but suffer "suppression" when under fire form AA
or/and
the addition of 2 extra planes that appear in different timing that do a single pass and are invulnerable so that the ability still does something even in large modes where there are allot AA.

The extra slot could be used for:
Smoke bomb plane
or
a strafing run plane
or
bombing plane
or
if one want to add a fuel ability (due to high mu cost) oen could add "version" of Ostheer "Breakthrough" improving the speed of vehicles for a fuel cost representing armored vehicles rushing to support paras.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 19:41 PMpvtgooner

I added bold to your nerf ideas and italicized your buff ideas. Some may be a push.

Lots of bold.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 20:21 PMVipper

And most of your bolts are not actually nerf.

1) that should not be available this early
The carbines are identical to one Rangers and Paras use which are CP3 units so they do come early.
To make thing worse these weapon how low far DPS the range that Pathfinder should use in, changing the weapon with one that is actually long range is an actual buff to their role.

Youre clearly arguing PFs are too strong, as their weapon they use is too early timed

2)Imo the unit should have its XP value increased currently its price and XP value are far apart and the unit gains veterancy very fast.


The squad has lower XP value than most (if not all) sqaud of it price even member of the MOD agree to this

So its a nerf?

3) Replace the scoped carbine with springfield_sniper_rifle_mp if possible
This is cosmetic change since "carbine" rifles are ill suited for scopes they are not powerful enough to be accurate at long range.

wut


4) Replace the passive critical with a timed ability
see post 20

so its a nerf

5) Add cost of 100-150 MP "Airborne Rally Points" make the detection a timed ability
That comes with more durability the ability to drop weapons and possibly timed aura that justify a cost

adding an MP cost to beacons and changing their passive another clicked ability is a nerf

6)Paradrop .50cal M2HB Heavy Machine Gun
Paradrop M1 57mm Anti-Tank Gun
Both abilities moved to beacons.
A clear buff opening room for a new ability

Yeah the bait and switch. I dont want to have to drop an MG or atg on my beacon, I perfer the freedom inherent in the ability that exists as it is

7) The CD of the ability is simply too low (become even lower with vet 1).
Increase the CD and change the ability and make the ability scale with veterancy instead of getting lower CD.
Check how long is the CD on this ability

So again, its a nerf

8) Change the ability from aimed to timed so that one does not have to waster in clicking one enemy unit.
A clear player friendly improvement not a nerf in anyway

I dont see how changing how the ability works necessary nor how it is a buff

9)Possibly make the provide bonuses only when stationary.
In line with role of defensive ability

again, another nerf you just lie through your teeth about being a buff lol

10) Increase the CD and change the ability and make the ability scale with veterancy instead of getting lower CD.
Scaling with veterancy is a buff

increasing CD is a nerf, a larger one than "scaling with vet"

11) Planes become harder to shoot down but suffer "suppression" when under fire form AA
A clear buff unless RNG Jesus is on you side.

Suffer suppression when under fire, but theyre harder to shoot? Sounds like a superfluous change that doesnt fix the effectiveness but is just another shell game for you.



Feel fee to explain why you though that these were nerfs because I do not really see that.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 18:33 PMVipper

Because adding an extra ability is actually a nerf according to you.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 20:54 PMKatitof

I just had the BESTEST IDEA EVER!

Lets add an ability to grens to buff them!
You now need to manually click for each rifle to shoot!

If it'll be too weak, despite it being a buff, because its new ability, we can make it into a timed ability, where grens will shoot in regular way at muni cost.

Its a new extra ability.
Its a buff.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 21:12 PMVipper

You analogy is simply of mark.

Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2021, 21:21 PMKatitof

How?
You want to strip basic functionality of a unit and limit it behind a cooldown and/or cost and are calling it a "buff", because there is now extra button to press on the UI.

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2021, 02:04 AMSupport Sapper

The ideas of merging mg and atg drop to free up a slot in the form of beacon is very solid. still, if beacon be come an ability, let rm or echelon buil them, too, and if a mp cost is add, the beacon should be more durable.

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2021, 02:04 AMSupport Sapper

Also, for Viper, as far as i know, the Springfield sniper rifle weapon profile using mossin nagand animation so i dont think it will go anywhere.

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2021, 02:04 AMSupport Sapper

So, how about give pfs 4 garand with long rangre profile and an 1x scope rifle upgrade after one officer ? They will be inline with jli.

Easy Eight has no scatter penalty on the move so it will be just as effective against infantry with the main gun standing still as moving

Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 09:37 AMApplejack

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For anyone that doesn't know. The E8 is the only tank in the game to have no scatter on the move. Taken from Cruzz's The more you know.
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Jump back to quoted post29 Mar 2021, 20:57 PMrumartinez89

What about giving the E8 240 armor with no changes to the gun. It would a worse panther in terms of AT and range but would have better AI.

USF

Currently, this doctrine is too thematically close to Infantry Company.
This rework aims to change this doctrine into a doctrine that encourages aggressive use of rifles (flares, sprint and fire on the move upgrades) and direct fire support(E8 and 105mm Shermans), compared to Infantry company’s defensive rifle abilities (mines, sandbags and LMGs) and indirect fire support (MHT, Priest).

Jump back to quoted post30 Mar 2021, 03:57 AMKiwiBirb

USF

Rifle company rework:

0cp - M4A3E8 Sherman
1cp - Enhanced combat training
~ Riflemen can sprint and be upgraded with camouflage
2cp - Advanced infantry equipment
~ flares, Riflemen upgrades: x4 M1 carbine or x2 scoped Garand, Rear echelons can be upgraded with flamethrowers
8cp - 105mm bulldozer Sherman
10cp - White phosphorus barrage


M4A3E8 Sherman
Name changed to M4A3E8 (W)
Description changed to:
The ultimate incarnation of the Sherman, the M4A3E8 included wet ammunition racks, the 76mm high velocity gun, and HVSS suspension, improving survivability, firepower and mobility.

Changes-
HP increased to 880
Reload decreased from 6.6s-6s to 6s