[Winter Balance Update] OKW Feedback

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2020, 01:30 AMProtos Angelus

I know you don't play allies Vodyani but try playing USF a bit and you'll see what I mean.

Pressing buttons is not the problem. The constant rotating and turning is. You need to reverse into combat, before firing stop, and then pull the brake so it doesn't constantly rotate when trying to fire. The engine probably is telling the computer to turn the HT the "right" way but the arc of fire is in the "reverse" way. Horrible. Also, AA HT needs to stop to fire the larger caliber shells. On the move it can only fire the MG which suppresses poorly. The main gun needs the HT to be stationary to fire.
God forbid that the AAHT is in trouble and you need a quick escape, that sh** will rotate and rotate. The smoke on flak + fast deployment > AAHT. AA HT is still good, no doubt, but cancerous and worst AA unit of all due to tracking and constant bugging out. Flak is also much better AI but is slower and needs deployment, which is fast enough but still needed. Also smoke.
So I stand behind that the raketen is a much bigger cancer for AA HT than anything else is for the flak, due to smoke mainly.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2020, 08:24 AMblvckdream

So some people really think reducing the Panzerschreck upgrade for Sturms by 10 munitions and making it possible to equip sweeper + Panzerschreck is going to be a big change and give OKW a huge boost?

What a non-sense. This change will do very little.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2020, 13:48 PMTickTack

Sorry, but GiA's evidence-based post was a lot better than this subjective opinion one. I'm with GiA on this, and already said a few pages back that the suurmpio schrek change is a pandora's box.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2020, 16:01 PMblvckdream

Can you please do yourself a favour and find out what evidence-based means.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2020, 16:36 PMaddvaluejack

I suggest to reduce Sturms' RA instead of giving them Shrecks. Riflemen's close DPS are too high for Sturms right now.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2020, 16:25 PMPip

It's certainly a buff, undeniably so, but i think calling it a "Pandora's box" is maybe a little hyperbolic.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2020, 12:17 PMUnit G17

Is anything gonna be done to Fallschirms? Currently they have very similar performance to Obers at long range, but they are significantly better at close and medium range (only slightly worse than Stg Obers). 2-3 squads of them are enough to pretty much mow down any infantry opposition with little micro, which is amusing as a user but very annoying as a foe.

Personally I would make them a proper stealth focused squad, similar to Stormtroopers and Commandos.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 03:53 AMTheMachine

The cumulative stacking of multiple different buffs to OKW sure seems over the top and scary. Such as Faster Medics, Sturm Shreks with sweepers and being cheaper, Quicker Ober LMG's, Quicker Ostwind/Flame Hetzer. Especially combined with the T-70 nerf and lack of meaingful buffs to Soviets, the Soviet vs OKW matchup seems quite unfair.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 04:25 AMmiragefla

There'll be some significant changes upcoming. It's likely we will be testing a different variation of the OKW Battlegroup that makes the comannder armor tier rush less potent, while dealing with OKW's issue with backteching for medics.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 04:53 AMMr. Someguy

Hopefully keeping Battlegroup's medics, that was my favourite change of the lot. It didn't sit right with me that the truck with the giant cross on it didn't actually heal you.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 07:13 AMGiaA

I'm sorry but you can't be serious? It has a cross and thus it must heal by default? What kind of argument is that.

The medics being an additional sidetech is a must to keep OKW tech at least somewhat interesting. The current all in one tech literally makes them void of any decision making. What should be done instead is separating the medic function of Battlegtroup from the unit access. Each of them should be a separate sidetech. This way OKW can backtech for medics without paying the full cost and has the option to save ressources by using med crates giving the faction some much needed flexibility.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 07:53 AMVipper

Unfortunately that is the case for most faction now there is little reason for OKW to be left behind.

This also effects the faction performance in team-games since a ostheer ally can solve OKW healing issues with bunker.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 03:53 AMTheMachine

The cumulative stacking of multiple different buffs to OKW sure seems over the top and scary. Such as Faster Medics, Sturm Shreks with sweepers and being cheaper, Quicker Ober LMG's, Quicker Ostwind/Flame Hetzer. Especially combined with the T-70 nerf and lack of meaingful buffs to Soviets, the Soviet vs OKW matchup seems quite unfair.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 07:58 AMGiaA

What? 200 MP, 250/10 fuel, 180, 150/60ammo

No idea what you're getting at with regards to teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 08:00 AMblvckdream

The Soviet vs OKW matchup is fine as it is anyway. It's USF and UKF that are too strong now compared to OKW and considering Soviets got more nerfs than buffs with the recent patch I don't see how this is going to change.

They finally need to do something to make OKW playable against UKF and reduce some of the over the top units USF has.

Also Ostheer has gotten so many buffs over the last couple of balance updates that there is really no point in playing OKW when Ostheer can do everything better including early game pressure with aggressive infantry which used to be OKW's main strength.