[Winter Balance Update] OKW Feedback

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 02:21 AMLady Xenarra

An interesting change though OKW without volks StG44 will be rather rare I predict (due to being overpowered quite easily without them and thus heavily favour BGruup openers), unless they seek to bypass with the MP40s(?) Or some kind of Falls/Ober heavy build . This change might shift ppl even further away from Mech as a viable tech. Does Mech HQ gets the Infantry Weapon Upgrades upgrade by default?

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 02:21 AMLady Xenarra

An interesting change though OKW without volks StG44 will be rather rare I predict (due to being overpowered quite easily without them and thus heavily favour BGruup openers), unless they seek to bypass with the MP40s(?) Or some kind of Falls/Ober heavy build . This change might shift ppl even further away from Mech as a viable tech. Does Mech HQ gets the Infantry Weapon Upgrades upgrade by default?

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 02:21 AMLady Xenarra

Oh I meant that the BGruppe being cheaper and now put down earlier would make the first deployed HQ truck earlier now? Thus fausts would be available on volks earlier as a result unless I missed something? Is this intentional?

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 03:26 AMMr. Someguy

My problem with Mechanized and Battlegroup is that Mechanized has all OKW's strongest field units, the Panzer II is better than the Flak HT and the Stuka is better than the LeIG, plus there's the Puma.

We'll see how these new changes work out.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2020, 23:46 PMmiragefla

Changes for OKW in the most recent update of the mod:
https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/comment/288466#Comment_288466

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Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 13:38 PMcheese tonkatsu

1. strumpioneer
Don't change its pops.
Don't make it possible to take both schrek and wire. it is sames as making sapper, pio and engi can take both flammer and sweper, echelon can take both sweeper and riflenade.
2. walking stuka
Don't let vet 4 skills to vet1. It is so damn poweful.
Or increase aoe scatter and cooldown or munition cost.
you said made it less poweful but the scatter is too small so it doesn't matter at all. and small aoe doesn't matter thx to munition cost reduction.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 03:09 AMJibberJabberJobber

It's simpler than that.

Live to unlock weapon upgrades:
- Battlegroup deployed
OR
- Mechanized deployed

Preview to unlock weapon upgrades:
- Battlegroup deloyed AND unlocked
OR
- Mechanized deployed

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2020, 23:58 PMGiaA

Ok this is the best change in the entire patch so far. Gives OKW the option to go for an earlier MG, and more affordable backtech for LEIG and Medics. Fantastic job mirage et al.

Stuka change was necessary for sure. Will require further testing.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 15:35 PMSmartie

+1 I think so too! The BG changes are really good and give players a lot of flexibility. Thats exactly how well designed teching should work.

All in all the changes to OKW seem promising but Im still not sure that the faction can compete with Brits.

I would like put an idea to discussion to make OKW teching even more interesting:
Make "Thorough Salvage" a side tech option, buildable in the Hq

This could be a nice and faction fitting idea to compensate for OKW's inability to build caches. Instead of getting constant resources via cashes OKW players could double down on salvaging.
This would give the OKW tech an interesting economic dimension and would free a slot in the Scavange commander.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 15:39 PMPip

Scavenge, though a really nice tool, I don't think can quite replace Caches for OKW. Either it's way too strong (Particularly if there are a LOT of wrecks and abandoned team weapons hanging around) or it is far too weak (Particularly in cases where there are no team weapons to scavenge, and your opponent just goes and kills wrecks immediately)

It's too situational, and I think this causes a balance concern. Scavenge is a nice little bonus on occasion, but it's mostly good for being able to kill abandoned team weapons, as far as I can ascertain.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 16:45 PMSpoof

Yeah, I have to agree with the last part. The ability to destroy abandoned team weapons and gather resources from it is very strong.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2020, 18:20 PMGachiGasm

What isnt strong vs brit emplacements really? Double spread LIEG will eat emplacements, you wont be able to counter it with mp, double mortar will counter them, single mortar HT will counter them.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2020, 17:22 PMJacK_Qc

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Vippers:
''The only problem with sutka is that because of weird penetration values it was given extra damage vs emplacements. Think thing will allot better once these modifier are removed.''

No, pen have nothing to do with it. This ability works the same way as LIEG flame ability or werh mortar half track. They dont require pen, they are the best counter to emplacement.