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Allies stock AI tank got nerfed too. T70/M8.
by the way.
KV-8 not fire 1 devastating shot like brumbar or KV-2.
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bascially so.
doctrine ostt and vsl got ripped apart. 7man cons got some rotation. penals got buffed. shocks, commandos, guards, assualt enginee, sniper pathfinders, officers...allies infantry still OP
now brumbar nerf from the heavens!
and the plan to nerf pgrens is coming!
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Commanders units should give other strategy to the faction ,and not being OP.
maybe KV-8 is alright but the Churchill Crocodile is too strong and hard to counter.
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kv8 rear armor 145
p4 near pen 125
brumbar rear armor 105/126
t3476 near pen 120
su85 far pen 220/242(patch)
time to apply same standards with brumbar nerfs!
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Maybe this would be better suited for the next doctrine patch but I figure since this is affecting core army stuff it would be best to post it here. It's not my idea but a tldr is that with some slight cost changes in the tech of Ostheer that literally doesn't affect anything timing wise you can leave a clear place for some future buffs to stuff like the Stug IIIE and Puma.
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I think increase Brummbar rear armor should be fine.
T34-76 are unreliable.
Su-85 pen already reflect with panther acc buff.
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in my top 80 2v2, alies dont use M4 105 nor churchill anymore. KV is rarely. TD is 1 thing but AT gun is anohter.
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Yes It is.
260 armor was bounced a lot AT even from SU-85. This is too hard to counter while brumbar fire 1-2shot kill whole squad.
They do have high HP that already need 5-6 shot form AT to take it down. plus they performance are better than KV2. I've test more than 10 time.
for the same thing on allies side
ISU-152 Got nerf too. both armor and range.
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Thanks for killing Ost late games, while Allies strong callin infantry are untouched?
Brumbar nerf is a joke, when it has to face 60TD.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I think increase Brummbar rear armor should be fine.
T34-76 are unreliable.
Su-85 pen already reflect with panther acc buff.
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sorry buddy but this terminator brummbar that lives in your head rent free does NOT EXIST, if your squad is clumped up t hen sure it could get a squad wipe but 90% of the timr it'll fuck up and hit one dude on the edge of the squad, also this 'allies are losing all their AI' bullshit is stupid, allies have the best infantry in the game so it's pretty fair imo that ostheer have a late game counter to them especially when stock ostheer only come with 4 man squads which are wipetastic
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dont forget this patch gutted ostt and vsl, ost response to allies infantry plays.
i suspect the mod team internal target is to make ost the weakest faction, so called 'model' balanced. just because the last 1v1 championship saw an increase in ost faction, they are swiftly getting 're-balanced'
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The Puma got changed to 5 CP + build time in T2 already. So changing the entire tech structure just for the StuG 3 ausf.E is not worth the hassle.
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You mean, you killd the Ost Puma... 5 CP are way too late to get it on the field..
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You mean, you killd the Ost Puma... 5 CP are way too late to get it on the field. I really hope this issue gets fixed in the upcomming commander patch. Right now, Mobile Defense doctrine seems dead.
My suggestion: Put Ost Puma in T2 so you have to build T2 and can't skip it. And then make it 2 CPs. With this, Puma should arrive at arround 6 minutes. If it's earlier, then increase build time. But ~6 min should be inline with OKW Puma, T70, Stuart and the new balanced AEC.
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Yes to this, there should be a good option for OST player in commander to hard counter allied LV play. CP 5 Puma without needing tech or lower CP 2 puma with needing teching done.
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sorry buddy but this terminator brummbar that lives in your head rent free does NOT EXIST, if your squad is clumped up t hen sure it could get a squad wipe but 90% of the timr it'll fuck up and hit one dude on the edge of the squad, also this 'allies are losing all their AI' bullshit is stupid, allies have the best infantry in the game so it's pretty fair imo that ostheer have a late game counter to them especially when stock ostheer only come with 4 man squads which are wipetastic
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Did you ever put stock penal/Cons/Riflemen/IS vs gren at long range and see what happened?
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A one shotting teller mine, faust out ofvthe gat, high rof ans snare with vet atgun, double shrecks isent good enough on top of have earlier and not muchless impactfull light vehicles? You cant have it both ways.
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