They will still be cheap meatshields, and have always been used as a replacement for grens
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They will still be cheap meatshields, and have always been used as a replacement for grens
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I'd consider making ostruppen build time quicker, e.g. 8-15 secs; this helps make it a panic crutch buy at T1 when you really need more boots on the ground and helps balance it's slower arrival
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They will still be cheap meatshields, and have always been used as a replacement for grens
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They will still be cheap meatshields, and have always been used as a replacement for grens
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True, but the only reason they were a replacement for grens is the fact that they were OP. I mean, their reinforce cost is 16.
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with the possibility of facing 3 factions that has an abundance of artillery, the few artillery left to axis needs something up its sleeve to counter this, until something else of similar value is presented to axis artillery, i think counter-arty needs to be where its at.
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Doesn't matter how they have always been used if it's incorrect to how they are meant to be used. The m10 always was used as the best AI vehicle in the game until it wasn't because that was not how it was supposed to be used. Ostroppen are bodies for a fragile faction, not infantry replacements
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This is common misrepresentation, that if something is used 99% of the time its automatically OP.
WC was OP objectively. VSL was OP objectively.
Osttroopens used not because they are OP, but because they are better then grens.
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If 200mp unit is better then 240mp unit, when latter is considered fine(the fact that the only change grens got was formation is testament to their own balance), then that is dictionary definition of OP unit.
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but there not, so your argument crumbles. just because grens are not being changed too much, doesn't mean there fine, the balance team is making small changes and being cautious which is the right thing to do.
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They are considered fine by balance team.
While I not always agree with them, I'd take their word for it over someone who thinks ost can be played like USF against USF.
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No-one of the balance team said they are fine. The only thing they said since all this patching started, is that its hard to change grens, because cons vs grens match up will be most likely broken.
At best they said that they are "alright" at best. If I'm wrong here, please provide quite where its stated that grens are considered fine and balanced.
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No one also said they need any stat changes.
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And this means that balance team just didnt say anything, therefore saying that they are considered good\bad by balance team is just a false claims.
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Grenadier cost the same as Conscripts and the require a building.
There are high rank players that think the Grenadiers need buffs.
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And a grand total of zero additional costs to unlock their full kit + early game weapon upgrade that does not require end game side tech.
There are top 10 players who think cons should not lose 10% acc at vet3.
There are high rank players who genuinely think and openly say HMG42 is a bad unit.
Stormjeager is a high level player and you disagreed with him instead of treating him like a balance pope.
Your point?
How do I put it out to you...
The goal of this patch is addressing as much core army problems as possible.
Grens were addressed by changing formation only, because that is all they need, because they are fine and just because couple of Meinstein worshippers and grenblob scrublords do not agree is not going to change the fact that grens are perfectly fine and balance infantry that does all it needs to do for its lowest of all mainline inf price.
High level player opinions matter only if they support your agenda and otherwise you just know better then them?
Also, if you value so much opinions of high rank players, here, have a knowledge nugget from master league discord where we, low rank peasants are not allowed.
Its an opinion of multiple high level players.
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