[Winter Balance Update] General Discussion

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 07:46 AMf1nggy

Why cant these units automatically have their clips replenished after being out of combat for a while?

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 08:14 AMSander93

Because then they would likely often start reloading at a bad timing out of the player's control, which would lead to frustration, and it would be abusable by someone who learns the reload timings (trigger a burst, walk away, wait x seconds for the reload to start and come back while the unit is reloading).

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 12:33 PMOrangePest

So i've played a few games, mainly wehr vs usf/sovw, haven't tried much else. My main thing i drew away from it was that the meta will remain exactly the same for wehr and even more stale now than before, with 5man grens being nerfed there isn't really any value to sacrificing your early game with shitty grens when you could simply just get ostruppen, and if you nerf ostruppen the faction becomes nigh unplayable now.

Like the incentive before with 5man grens was that you'd get a really overpowered squad but you would smash asunder your early game, now that that's gone there's no point in going 5man because you're destroying your early game for a mid-level squad at best. And honestly why would anyone even wanna bother? Just go ostruppen.

I feel like these changes are trying to do magic here more than anything, you can't decide to make the meta less stale by ignoring the glaring issues a faction has. grens aren't good mainline and haven't been. And this refusal to buff them to make them usable will always force people into alternatives that avoid them, Assgren/ostruppen. If you want the 1v1 meta to stop being stale, then you simply have to buff them. There isn't any other solution that really exists for it.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 02:18 AMSully

May be a dumb question, but has the team considered simply making ostruppen buildable frm HQ?

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 11:37 AMKyle

Hi, I'm agree with your ideal but I got a question:

Let's say you are in the balance team, what would you do to balance The Grenadier? (Cheaper? non-doctrine 5 man upgrade, lower reinforce cost?)

I know that you a top 1vs1 player so I wanna hear your input because right now most Wehr coh2 replay 8 out of 10 are Ostruppen or Assault Grenadier or 5 man grenadier squad.

Thanks!

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 14:29 PMT.R. Stormjäger

It's already super hard to force any bleed on LMG Grens from distance fights with BARs.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 17:05 PMGachiGasm

You dont pick bars for distance fights, to begin with.

Also no-one saying that LMG couldn't get some ajustements, if grens by themselfs become better.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 14:28 PMOrangePest

Me? hrm. Probably along the lines of either making them beefier, lowering their reinforce cost and increasing their close range damage at vet 2 probably, the main problem right now is that they don't really have much in durability or sustained combat, and despite being significantly cheaper than say rifles, end up being outnumbered or evenly match in terms of numbers but will end up still losing the majority of their engagements.

TLDR: Buff firepower or make them more durable.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 17:12 PMNapalm

I'd like to better understand the thought process that went into the proposed ISU-152 changes. Is it the risk of exposing the tank vs. defeating a target or something else? Could the same logic be applied to the Elephant?

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 17:06 PMT.R. Stormjäger

You pick BARs because they're your standard AI upgrade as USF and they absolutely suck at distance fights.

wtf is your problem? Nothing I stated was inaccurate.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 14:28 PMOrangePest

Me? hrm. Probably along the lines of either making them beefier, lowering their reinforce cost and increasing their close range damage at vet 2 probably, the main problem right now is that they don't really have much in durability or sustained combat, and despite being significantly cheaper than say rifles, end up being outnumbered or evenly match in terms of numbers but will end up still losing the majority of their engagements.

TLDR: Buff firepower or make them more durable.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 17:34 PMGiaA

I don't think buffing them directly is a good idea. Mainline inf spam is already too prominent. Why not just remove sandbags from all mainlines. This would be a massive indirect buff for grens (particularly LMG grens) and it would make the early mid game a million times more interesting.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 17:34 PMGiaA

I don't think buffing them directly is a good idea. Mainline inf spam is already too prominent. Why not just remove sandbags from all mainlines. This would be a massive indirect buff for grens (particularly LMG grens) and it would make the early mid game a million times more interesting.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2020, 17:34 PMGiaA

I don't think buffing them directly is a good idea. Mainline inf spam is already too prominent. Why not just remove sandbags from all mainlines. This would be a massive indirect buff for grens (particularly LMG grens) and it would make the early mid game a million times more interesting.