Nerf the Valentine

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 20:02 PMFire and Terror

Ideas for nerf:

6cp
Tech binded
target size increase
reduce health to 400 and make it snareable
Armor nerf (P4 can bounce)


One pr 2 of those nerfs not all

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 20:32 PMSander93

I personally think its performance is fine, and that it just needs to get a build time so it arrives a bit slower and can't be recalled as easily after losing one.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 20:32 PMSander93

I personally think its performance is fine, and that it just needs to get a build time so it arrives a bit slower and can't be recalled as easily after losing one.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 21:13 PMCreativeName

The valentine performs like a medium tank at 5 CPs, thats not "fine". Yes, the call in button without recharge is the thing that makes its oppressive but even with a build time its simply too strong. Very fast, on top of 75% moving accuracy -iirc- makes at guns almost useless in the hands of a good player. Add the concentration barrage in the mix and youre basically dead at 5CPs when you only have one at gun.

Ye sure it doesnt beat a p4 in a 1on1 fight but it can contribute its at power against it. No other light tank (i know, its technically a medium but since it has the timing of a light tank ill go with that comparison) is able to handle infantry like a t70 and help against vehicles -except heavies- like a puma/aec on top of utility features like smoke and recon.
It is not fine


Adding a build time is the minimum nerf, id suggest a health reduction so one faust can snare it.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 21:13 PMCreativeName

Very fast, on top of 75% moving accuracy -iirc- makes at guns almost useless in the hands of a good player

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 22:21 PMKronosaur0s

I dont know man, but if skilled people like Terror, Olvadi, CN, and even Seeking (he said it in a streaming) and a lot of people who would post it anyways after me right now, say Valentine its too good, maybe.... they're right you know?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 22:06 PMSander93

It does have 0.75 moving accuracy but accuracy is not used when facing anti-tank guns or infantry. Also it has 7 speed which is indeed fast, but it's the same speed as units like the T-70 or the Stuart or the Cromwell.

It's a doctrinal unit, it's supposed to be good. Adjusting it further has to be done in a careful way. Nerfing its hitpoints to 400 so that it can get snared with one Faust would be a huge nerf. I would prefer baby steps and remove its oppressiveness (the fast call in and re-call in times) first before going after performance (which always has a good chance of ruining the unit).

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 22:54 PMblvckdream

I am confused why it needs to have 0.75 moving accuracy? This and the build time should be easy changes. If possible it should also get a cooldown like heavy tanks. I would also make it slightly more expensive (10 fuel maybe?) and remove the HP buff at vet 3.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2020, 22:06 PMSander93

It does have 0.75 moving accuracy but accuracy is not used when facing anti-tank guns or infantry. Also it has 7 speed which is indeed fast, but it's the same speed as units like the T-70 or the Stuart or the Cromwell.

It's a doctrinal unit, it's supposed to be good. Adjusting it further has to be done in a careful way. Nerfing its hitpoints to 400 so that it can get snared with one Faust would be a huge nerf. I would prefer baby steps and remove its oppressiveness (the fast call in and re-call in times) first before going after performance (which always has a good chance of ruining the unit).

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2020, 00:26 AMProtos Angelus

Another allies OP thread xD. You really complaining about Valentine? Puma easily kills it, snares make it useless. The whole point of that tank is to hit and run and you want to nerf that xD. Let me guess, you lost a game now and got outplayed by a brit with valentine and now are complaining here.