Tiger main gun nerf too much? (Winter patch)
21 Mar 2020, 16:03 PM
#1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWHuFBpHskI
^ Thats a detailed demonstration of the patch and the tiger new nerfs is shown at 1min 40s.
Compare that with IS2 and Pershing (in the video), i think it is a bit too much. I would say just remove the Vet2 scatter bonus and move it to CP12 or later. That will fix it.
21 Mar 2020, 16:09 PM
#2
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I voted its an ok nerf because it not just the tiger gettings its aoe nerfed. Is2 and perhing seem less effected. But tigers rof is is higher so it balances out imo.
21 Mar 2020, 16:12 PM
#3
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Shouldn't the tiger be good at... Something?
21 Mar 2020, 16:18 PM
#4
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Shouldn't the tiger be good at... Something?
Yea that's my point. It now going to come very late and be bad at the same time.
That's why I suggested to move it to CP 12 or later but don't nerf AOE.
21 Mar 2020, 16:29 PM
#5
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I’ve been saying they’re neutering the Tiger for weeks.
21 Mar 2020, 16:36 PM
#6
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Shouldn't the tiger be good at... Something?
And it is.
Its just not AI anymore.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Mar 2020, 16:51 PM
#7
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Shouldn't the tiger be good at... Something?
Fastest in class rof (and thus damage output) and longest range. Those are things. It's the best tank to fight other armour with.
#stalinwept
21 Mar 2020, 17:19 PM
#8
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Fastest in class rof (and thus damage output) and longest range. Those are things. It's the best tank to fight other armour with.
No, that's still the IS 2, because it will win versus any other vehicle, and it will also mop the floor with the Tiger.
21 Mar 2020, 17:23 PM
#9
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No, that's still the IS 2, because it will win versus any other vehicle, and it will also mop the floor with the Tiger.
Actually TTK on IS-2 is worse against Tiger. IS-2 is better vs infantry tho since it has HUGE AOE.
Grens are finally good.
21 Mar 2020, 17:23 PM
#10
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Fastest in class rof (and thus damage output) and longest range. Those are things. It's the best tank to fight other armour with.
Fastest in class is Pershing
Range is the same as Persing at vet 0 and same as IS-2 once vetted.
That leave only ROF
21 Mar 2020, 17:25 PM
#11
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Fastest in class is Pershing
Range is the same as Persing at vet 0 and same as IS-2 once vetted.
That leave only ROF
Thats quite reasonable IMO. What makes Tiger look clumsy is IS-2 comes with SU-85 and Pershing comes with superb Jackson.
Grens are finally good.
21 Mar 2020, 17:33 PM
#12
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Thats quite reasonable IMO. What makes Tiger look clumsy is IS-2 comes with SU-85 and Pershing comes with superb Jackson.
Yep Tiger/Panther Combo is the most expensive while the least cost efficient.
The performance of TDs needs to be looked at for quite some time now (something like 4 years ago).
21 Mar 2020, 17:39 PM
#13
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No, that's still the IS 2, because it will win versus any other vehicle, and it will also mop the floor with the Tiger.
did you ever use an IS2?
21 Mar 2020, 17:47 PM
#14
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did you ever use an IS2?
Yes I did, thank you for this post and this grand contribution to the thread
21 Mar 2020, 17:52 PM
#15
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No, that's still the IS 2, because it will win versus any other vehicle, and it will also mop the floor with the Tiger.
And which vehicle Tiger will lose to except IS-2 in direct firefight again?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Mar 2020, 17:57 PM
#16
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I will never understand why the community always wants to standardize everything. Both axis factions are designed to be strong in late game, thats why Tigers should be better than Allied Heavies.
Thats why the T-70 is so much better than the 222- because Soviets are supposed to dominate the mid game. Why is this logic accepted for light and medium vehicles but not for heavies?
The nerfs will hit both axis factions a lot harder than USF/ Soviets who did not need heavies as much as axis factios. Why?
Because both factions dominate the game before the late game.
I still hope the patch is successful because I love high level tourneys and all participating players deserve good balance. But Im really afraid that the balance will be highly in favor of allied factions. If Axis can only be competitive because of op Tigers... what will happen when their main crutch unit is taken away? You need a tank that can do constant damage against allied inf...
Thats why the T-70 is so much better than the 222- because Soviets are supposed to dominate the mid game. Why is this logic accepted for light and medium vehicles but not for heavies?
The nerfs will hit both axis factions a lot harder than USF/ Soviets who did not need heavies as much as axis factios. Why?
Because both factions dominate the game before the late game.
I still hope the patch is successful because I love high level tourneys and all participating players deserve good balance. But Im really afraid that the balance will be highly in favor of allied factions. If Axis can only be competitive because of op Tigers... what will happen when their main crutch unit is taken away? You need a tank that can do constant damage against allied inf...
21 Mar 2020, 18:01 PM
#17
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it's not the aoe, it tends too over shoot too much, u can see it in the video it always hit behind the squad
modify the scatter angle ?
modify the scatter angle ?
katitof-2018
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21 Mar 2020, 18:02 PM
#18
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I will never understand why the community always wants to standardize everything. Both axis factions are designed to be strong in late game,
That's untrue for at least 4 years now.
thats why Tigers should be better than Allied Heavies.
That has no balance basis.
Thats why the T-70 is so much better than the 222- because Soviets are supposed to dominate the mid game. Why is this logic accepted for light and medium vehicles but not for heavies?
T-70 is so much better then 222, because T-70 costs 70 fuel and arrives at 8-10 minute while 222 costs 30 and arrives at 4-5th minute.
You are surprised why your 230 fuel unit doesn't roflstomp all other 230 fuel units which arrive at the same time.
You lack most basic understanding of balance.
The nerfs will hit both axis factions a lot harder than USF/ Soviets who did not need heavies as much as axis factios. Why?
Because both factions dominate the game before the late game.
Maybe now you'll notice other vehicles and start using them according to their strength?
No more 1 ultimate answer to all problems.
And no faction dominates early game, that was also abandoned and rebalanced about 3 years ago and going.
You're sticking to principles that aren't being followed for years now.
Some factions are better at attacking and some at defending, that's all.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Mar 2020, 18:05 PM
#19
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IS-2 does not mop the floor with the Tiger. Tiger can win 1vs1
21 Mar 2020, 18:14 PM
#20
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@Katitof:
Dude, can you please answer me one question:
Please stop to lay me things in the mouth I never said:
I never said the Tiger should stomp Allied heavies. All I want is a Tiger who is worth the money.
Looking at the video the TIger is NOT worth is money.
And if you say "The T-70 is better than the 222 because it costs 70 fuel".. well thats a good argument. More expensive units should be better than cheaper units and im all for it.
Sadly your logic dont work on the KT who is a lot more expensive than the IS2 but not nearly as good.Heck, the KT is also not nearly as good as the regular Tiger.
Dude, can you please answer me one question:
Please stop to lay me things in the mouth I never said:
I never said the Tiger should stomp Allied heavies. All I want is a Tiger who is worth the money.
Looking at the video the TIger is NOT worth is money.
And if you say "The T-70 is better than the 222 because it costs 70 fuel".. well thats a good argument. More expensive units should be better than cheaper units and im all for it.
Sadly your logic dont work on the KT who is a lot more expensive than the IS2 but not nearly as good.Heck, the KT is also not nearly as good as the regular Tiger.
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