Stationary PANTHER - Poll

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 02:38 AMmrgame2

Reducing 55td does not nerf them much against call in. Especially if we increase the call in fuel cost.

55td still have enough time to vet up, and still get their sweet vet bonuses


55td still outrange call in and non call in.

Su85 and ff have sight advantage too. Jackson of course mobility power. And making 5muni cheaper tracking will compensate the su85 non turret with slightly reduced range.

People make a fuss of pioneer extra 7 sight, yet mobile td have extra 10 range advantage, and at 640 hp, they are no longer squishy.

Panthers didn't kill medium plays, 60td did, imo

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 02:49 AMmrgame2

I believe the chance to pen a tiger with 60td is higher than a panther can pen a is2. Dropping to 55td won't make a losing impact

60td is simply unneeded and spoil the contest to laziness.

A pioneer needs to WALK to provide sight to mg42, a 60td simply drives about.

A 60td Jackson can 1v1 a costlier panther. The 10 range deficit is too much to take a chance since jackson can dive in an out of panther AND ATgun range. At 55td, at least allies td will have to reconsider the ATg more.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 03:36 AMShadowLinkX37

Just for future reference, if you ever want to add a poll to a thread you've already made, you can ask a mod to add one. Now we have 2 threads for the same topic. It's fine and it happens as no one really tells you what staff powers are unless you ask, but just for future reference, now you know.

Carry on!

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 02:55 AMMazianni

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But on the topic of Panthers not killing medium plays, you are completely and totally wrong, since as has been demonstrated many times already, allied medium tanks cannot fight the Panther. ...

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 02:55 AMMazianni

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I mean, you are welcome to play a few games as allies and just never ever produce any 60 range TDs. I implore you to do so and to show us the results of this endeavor.



I want to see you try and kill Panthers and Tigers with only the M1 AT gun or the Zis-3 so fucking badly. Do you just assume every gun in the game is a copy of your Pak-40? TWP and all?

Alternatively, you could always nerf the range of all allied 60 range TDs, sure, to 55 or 50 or whatever, and then give them 200-something armor and 800 HP or so to compensate. Sure. I could get behind that I suppose. We could even talk price increases then - they would be as essentially impossible to kill with medium tanks as the Panther is (though you could still flank the SU-85 lol)

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 03:53 AMmrgame2

I agree p4 can kill Jackson, i myself encounter it when playing usf. But that's my bad micro, still using panther mindset and not using its advantages.

As such, i don't think this scenario is strong enough to convince why 55td makes more sense now.

Similarly, I seen top games where a double flanking panther fail to kill double su85. Sov can make unit compositions and off map arty to make things harder.

Likewise panthers also suffer from pathing more since it needs more active micro. Double Sherman and 75s and Cromwell can kill a confused panther

All im saying a slight 5 range nerf seems to make most sense. 60td is flagged out as over performing and lazy hard counters to all

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 15:06 PMVipper

That is simply biased observation, the stats tell a different story. Actually FF is one of the most accurate unit in game with a mid range of 45 higher than both elephant and JT.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 09:47 AMVipper

And what exactly is your the Point. A TD that is more expensive that any medium in cost and pop does not lose 1vs1 vs them. Would be logical if a single medium would win vs Panther?

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 10:42 AMPrinceps

And here it is ....
so just another "i dont want to use combiend arms... just sit back an enjoy the 60Range TD meta..."

the easy mode

why use all the tools and mabe flank (like in COH1) but ... nooo way.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 15:03 PMVIGNASH

I think that promotes a cancer strat where in 4v4 matches, axis players just spam panthers and dive behind front lines and end the game...so stationary is far better and makes less cancer.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 20:33 PMMazianni

The point is literally in the passage you quote. Had you bothered to read this thread you'd realize that. A claim was made that the Panther was not as oppressive to medium tank play as the other TDs in this game, and I argued otherwise.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 20:33 PMMazianni

Do not let your vendetta with me ruin another thread by (hopefully not deliberately) ignoring the posts of others.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2019, 13:59 PMaerafield

The base stats are fine, but all other TDs get an accuracy bonus with vet, panther doesnt.

Since vet 2 does not do that much atm (bit more armor and increased turret rotation) I think it should also give 20 or 30% more accuracy

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 23:48 PMDonnieChan

nothing makes one more furious thatn a panther missing the last shot

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 02:07 AMFelinewolfie

Give Panther all-Jackson stats, and remove it's armor down to the level of Jackson.
Remove it's machine-guns.Give it Jackson range, and give it accuracy bonuses and rate of fire.

Make all allied and Axis units same stats and same price.

Problem fixed, right?
(That also means reducing Panther's cost and pop and health to Jackson's level)

But you won't be satisfied. Panther is already the best tank in the game, and you want
it's counters gutted and removed. What you truly want, is auto-instant win without skill or effort.

Just be honest and say it !

- Give Panther Allied TD stats and accuray buffs due to vet. Remove Panther's health
and armor stats, and improved armor, health per vet. Problem solved :3