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Are you really talking seriously?? =))
SU85,ZiS and SU76 counter PanzerGrenadiers?

I didnt say counter, but they kill them enough to be a big nuisance at 45 mp a pop its not cheap and even 1 man down and your squad loses a lot of dps and ability to stay in field.

I'm sure there will be plenty of mods if you want CoH2 to be vcoh all over again, just wait.
It's pretty clear that the intention was to make a different game and while it still has issues, they have nothing to do with the fact that it's different than vcoh.

Different is totally fine with me, but if ist a coh game it needs to follow the basic mechanics that made coh amazing. If it changes the basics then its not a coh game. I dont want to play coh over and over I wanted a new game, but its obviously a sequel and needs to do things better than the original and it doesn't for 80% of things.

For gods sakes even the engine is worse, the mechanics are dumbed down versions of what they were before, they cant even give tanks different reverse speeds. They have no damage tables, units cost the same even when they are not the same, bulletins... commanders are recycles and not well thought out, the single player is one of the worst iv ever seen, unit movement and controls are clunky and sluggish, the voice acting is bad, the hud is awful, the explosion effects are worse, viloence is removed.. I could go on and on

So yeh different is great but worse isnt.

Do we really need two generalist ideas threads from the same poster in two days? Why not just add it to your other thread? Especially when there is a large amount of overlap...

To cherrypick a few of the obvious ones because it's impossible to coherently answer such a list of suggestions in a way other forumites can actually read it.

You obviously lack experience of the game as Soviets and many of the suggestions here seem to reflect having only played the game from one side and even then you exaggerate a lot of things. You don't appear to be aware that AT nades are a fuel-costing upgrade in the same way as stickies were. I'm pretty sure vehicles do have a road bonus. Shock grenades are actually pretty feeble right now. I'd like them to have a building-clearer grenade personally instead of just a crap multipurpose one.

Panthers are far far better at killing vehicles than P-IVs, they do not have trouble penetrating the rear armour of an SU-85, they are faster than a P-IV, have more health, more range and can penetrate an SU-85 frontally reasonably well. Experienced Ostheer infantry are still very strong late-game...

Putting lower-cost Brummbars in Tier 3 is silly because the overlap with the Ostwind would be huge and then Ostheer T4 would have no AI tank. Brummbars are pretty bad for their cost at the moment, and need a cost reduction and probably a stats buff to the level of a KV-8's armour and health instead of a tier change.

Basically, Cruzz is right, and please don't make two different threads with a lot of shared suggestions based on a very one-sided experience of the game and factual ignorance of the game engine and stats.

No offense but I can post as often as I like. You sound to me like someone that has come to coh2 without ever playing coh. See I played coh from the first month that the game came out 8 years ago and I have enough experience in coh2 to know what up.

Ok where to start.. at nades cost fuel.. yep they do but they are a no brainer upgrade that has 0 influence on tech or the soviet choices in general. Its not a option of getting them or mollies or getting them instead of something else, as a soviet player you just get them they might as well be free.

Chek out coh for a road bonus, the vehicles are basically 2 times the speed that they are on the rough ground, this means you can use roads to actually make maneuvers, in coh there's hardly a difference.

Does the panther have more health and damage? Yep but is it substantial in game? health wise sure but damage no. When a unit that is designed to kill tanks, costs 2-3 times more then the su85 actually struggle to kill a su85 while flanking and what I mean by that is it takes more than 3 shots to the rear then you know the game is flawed. Go play coh just for a few matches watch how fast a panther goes down to at guns from the front, or how quick a m10 can mess up a stug from the rear... now go to coh 2 and watch the panther make a meal out of the su85 for like 30 seconds meanwhile it can be shot buy a swarm of at guns or get engine damage from teir 0 troops that cover the map.

I have to agree with a lot of the points made in the OP. The infantrycombat was fundamentally changed, in my oppinion, for the worse, as cower and tactical manouevering to a large degree was replaced with frontal assaults and throwing and dodging grenades. This dosent only make the gameplay itself less tacticly deep and diverse, but also makes the firefights look ridiciolus.

vCOH was great in so many ways, and it always fealt like the designers made a game they really wanted to play, and added features and gameplaymechanics they loved themselves. In COH2 I get the feeling that the developers didnt like the COH kind of gameplay that much, though had to use some of the elements in order to justify the name. It feels like a game mad by someonw who is way more comfortable with DOW than COH.

Totally agree with you, especially the run upt to enemy, throw molatov and then sit 1 m apart shooting for 10 mins gameplay.

Don't agree with most things. Seems horribly biased towards nerfing soviets even though the current balance favors germans.

Things in particular I disagree with:

Soviet infantry is already worse for cost, they're definitely not waltzing into any sort of ostheer army right now.

I see you have no problem in having Grenadiers have faust and grenades at the same time for completely free while conscripts get overall worse versions of these abilities (though molotov atleast has good sides to it) only if the player pays for them. Soviets are currently punished for doing anything except conscript spamming, because most of T1 and T2 as well as shocks are hard countered by german T2, and grenadiers are definitely the better scaling unit except with 3 specific soviet commanders and even ppsh is at best equal to the lmg, in many situations worse.

While I might agree with a shock nade change for the sake of variety, your logic for it is ridiculous. Shock nades already are the WORST grenade in the game, it's a miracle when they kill anything. The guard nade/bundle (effectively same grenade with the guard nade throwing faster) is hugely better.

Button is already made worthless by panzer tactician (15 munitions compared to 60 flat+40 per use for button, and available on just as many commanders as guards) and in general is very hard to use against anyone who isn't rushing their vehicles in like a complete idiot. And you think it needs to be worse than it is now?

PaK ALREADY ARE BETTER THAN ZIS AS AT, it has a much better firing rate, comes from a better building and has a much better special ability. For the love of god I'd love to see them just get rid of the 60 munition, most inaccurate artillery barrage ever on the ZiS just so people would stop justifying anything based on it.

Soldiers riding tanks very much a gimmick, we already have oorah anyway for fast travel (even if nobody will use it for that because it costs too much to spam). Also M5 halftracks which are also not used.

I'll assume you meant FHT instead of HTD, because otherwise that made no sense. The flameht is one of the top german units in need of a huge nerf really, atleast to the time it comes out if nothing else. It's a unit that can be on the field at 6 minutes easily while the KV8 is a late-game doctrine specific unit only available in two kinda suboptimal commanders. Both units should still be looked at balance wise but the FHT is by far the more problematic of the two right now.

Panther already has 50 range like the StuG, 10 more than the PIV. Price change to Panther and Brumm was stupid though, the manpower investment requirement for them is ridiculous. Should be reverted to the previous 440MP/whatever fuel cost it was.

5-men Grenadiers? You want grenadiers to outclass conscripts even worse? Jesus.

PGrens are fine.

Well with the other changes in place soviet infantry would be great, they have more and its cheaper to reinforce. I think having cons and the backbone of the soviet inf is stupid.. it should be the base of the inf force but needs to be augemented with other inf units in mid and late game.

THe idea that a bunch of farmers is fighting the whermacht via molatov cocktails all game seems ludicrous to me.. so no its not the answer, it makes no sense and it not fun or tactically sound.

P grens cost 45 munitions and die as fast as a engineer squad.. ok they do great damage, but shocks do more and they are basically uncounterble via ost infantry. Ok flame ht can kill them and so can ostwind but all u need is a su85 from half the map away and thats that. Do you know what can kill p grens? Ill start a list for you, m3 ht,shocks, t70, t34, su 85, zis gun, maxim, 120mm mortar, su 76, is2, isu152 and it goes on an on they die to just about everything and usualy lose 2 modes very quickly thats 90 mp right there. So no I dont agree shocks are fine, with the hard nade they are too powerful and it would be good for a change.

The idea behind grens is that they do outclass conscripts. ost has 2 inf units grens and p grens thats it, and if cons can take on both types ( via different load outs) but then even tougher inf comes out in form of shocks, and the at guys as well as penals and engineer with flame you have to start to think that perhaps soviet is getting the bettter deal with the inf. and to boot its all cheaper then the ost version, is about 5 times harder to wipe out and there is moer varied units on the field and they can steal weapons while ost basically cant.

Now combine that with weapon crews that fight for themselves and op units like kv8 and lets see just how strong the gren squad is.

You say the soviet inf is not waltzing into ost fire but im watching current replays of exactly that, soviets walking infront of mg42s, and throwing molatov, and and guards walking in and even though its a at unit, its got mgs which give them great ai ability. Watch a guard vs gren fight, guards usualy win, and if things go bad they throw a nade and its over.

I see no problem with faust and at nade if they primarily did damage adn engine crit after 50% health like in vcoh, they way both work right now is a joke. I cant stand the sort of gameplay where a = b, at nade and faust is just the engine damage button its a joke.

And these are out of the first units you build in the game, leaving vehicles always exposed to engine damage, all game long.

Pak may be better than zis, except that its not. Soviet tanks like t70 are fast and rape at guns, kv 8 makes a joke of at guns, su 85 out ranges at guns and is2 and isu basically one shot at guns.. so in a way the pak is completely usless, especially since they do no engine damage so t70 might take one shot and basically always escapes. The barage ability of zis basiaclly means any time a inf squad is in fro\nt of the siz and it attacks its in danger of being wiped out. The reaction is so slow and the units move so badly that nearly always gets clipped by a shot and loses at least 50% of the squad.. this is meant to be a unit that is vulnerable to infantry....